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Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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Spoken like somebody who is not under the age of 18 or has anyone who is living in their home.

My generation didn’t have ‘em and guess what, no one died. In fact that was the generation that invented all this stuff.

> My generation didn’t have ‘em

What generation was that, the Boomers? Because I'm from Gen X, and I (and numerous people I knew) had unsupervised access to internet connected devices under age 18. (PC + dialup + CompuServe account, or something similar, though at the very trailing edge of Gen X it might have been a more "direct" dial-up ISP.)

> and guess what, no one died.

I'm pretty sure that people under 18 did die in your generation, whatever generation that was, that could have been avoided had they had access to a smartphone or other internet-connected device, especially the former.

> In fact that was the generation that invented all this stuff.

"All this stuff" wasn't invented by people from exclusively one generation.

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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What about a legally emancipated 17 year old? What about a 16 year old born in a country where the age of consent is 14 and the US’s views on sexuality are considered overbearing and puritanical?

Then those people can be exposed to all the suicide, pedophiles, and other negative influences as much as they want.

Honestly, I’m expecting someone to argue that kids should be allowed to smoke crack because muh independence in a minute... you notice no one has provided a coherent reason they should have smartphones...

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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post #13

All the sick shit on the internet was there 20 years ago. It might have been a little more pixellated and lower-resolution, and getting it on a 56kbp modem that gurgled and screamed and tied up the phone line was perhaps a bit tricky to do surreptitiously, but it was there. We turned out fine. If I did ever put some sort of parental blockers on my children's devices, I'd try to find some half-assed thing like the blo…

Have you read the piece? It’s not about sick shit on the internet, but the negative sides of social media. And Social Media wasn’t the same 20 years ago. Furthermore, the sick shit 20 years ago was harder to find and a lot slower to download as well.

Yes, I read it. It's a lot of hand-wringing and pearl-clutching, and worrying that children might be talking in codes...

There were forums, there was AIM. People were shitty to each other in person. The twelve-year olds that are yelling racial slurs at you and calling you a noob in Battlefield were doing the same to their friends on the couch playing Mortal Kombat.

Every generation needs its existential threat to the wholesomeness of children. Comic books, jazz, rock and roll, hippy counter-culture, rap, and video games are mostly played out. Now it's social media.

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spoken like somebody who is not under the age of 18 or has anyone who is living in their home.

My generation didn’t have ‘em and guess what, no one died. In fact that was the generation that invented all this stuff.

Your generation certainly had other things that your parents and grandparents would rather keep you from using/experiencing. Moreover, no one else had a smartphone, so you weren't the odd one out.

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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post #7

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Under 18? Are you serious? You think a 15 year old doesn't deserve a single ounce of independence? Teens should be educated on proper use of the internet, not prohibited from it without trading away their privacy to parents.

My 16 years old will be pretty independent. He'll have a car and a motorbike. He'll be able to go out by himself, experience real people. He'll be able to work odd jobs, manage his own money, read whatever books and learn whatever things he wants. But he won't have a smartphone or unsupervised internet access. Neither provide independence, but shackles to kilotons of the worst quality content humanity has ever create…

Not knowing about your 16 year old; but it will be significantly difficult to deal with the peer pressure and peer influences unless you live in a different culture.

The studied reason millenials were less likely to drive is not because cars got harder to afford or high school jobs harder to come by, but because of lack of interest (thanks to smart phones)

Even if you don't give your children a smart phone, they're going to be exposed to this behavior from their friends. And there are already articles of children who buy "burners" to keep their privacy from their parents.

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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I plan to monitor my kids’ internet usage and heavily filter it as well. Their phones and apps will be restricted until mature enough to make their own decisions.

Or until they learn enough to understand how these filters work and figure out some way to bypass them.

At that point things would start to get hella fun on both sides.

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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post #3

There is literally no reason for anyone under the age of 18 to own a smartphone or have unsupervised use of any internet-connected device. Literally none.

Spoken like somebody who is not under the age of 18 or has anyone who is living in their home.

As someone who is under the age of 18, I would respectfully have to agree with the statement in question. The Smartphone -- or more specifically the internet -- has provided us, adolescents, a powerful platform to learn anything we want and develop into technically literate and ethical adults. Unfortunately, this has and will continue to not be the case.

The internet has evolved from being a source of knowledge into a cancerous entity that craves complete and utter assimilation of any decency humans might have. While adults might be capable of avoiding the raw, seductive power of the evil this medium permits, I think I speak for the majority of teenagers when I say that we cannot.

Constantly and persistently we are using the internet to perform heinous deeds unimaginable to our guardians. We have been raised in a bubble where our role models are Youtubers who have dropped out of high-school and where the names of famous scholars are annoyances of reality. We no longer look at the stars curious of the natures which lay beyond them, for we believe we have already witnessed and possess any great magnitude of beauty in our phones. We are mostly guided by the one and ever consuming belief that the internet is not an extension of our minds, but rather our minds themselves.

It is a terribly sad revelation that something considered so revolutionary and representative of human ingenuity is actually something wholly malignant to the young of our species. We are mentally and emotionally undeveloped and we have been given a powerful tool without guidance on how to use it.

I say these things not to bandwagon or provoke, but because I despise the creature the internet has given birth to -- me. I am a product of this vile creation and I want this cycle to stop. I do not know how many other teenagers have come to this realization or how many are still wasting away on Snapchat speaking of pointlessly obscure thoughts. But what I do know is that the internet has not enriched our lives but has rather regressed it to the point where we do anything for a couple of minutes on our phones. We are young and have been taken advantage of by political powers which want to advertise and indoctrinate; we hold unrestricted power in a domain of our own making; we are independent only in face when enslaved in heart.

Destroy the internet and free us.

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

#28
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you read the piece? It’s not about sick shit on the internet, but the negative sides of social media. And Social Media wasn’t the same 20 years ago. Furthermore, the sick shit 20 years ago was harder to find and a lot slower to download as well.

Yes, I read it. It's a lot of hand-wringing and pearl-clutching, and worrying that children might be talking in codes... There were forums, there was AIM. People were shitty to each other in person. The twelve-year olds that are yelling racial slurs at you and calling you a noob in Battlefield were doing the same to their friends on the couch playing Mortal Kombat. Every generation needs its existential threat to the…

The difference being that you're not engulfed in all of that for hours/days at a time like you are with today's technology. It doesn't constantly follow you around to the dinner table, to your school, to the toilet. 15 years ago, most people had a family computer and you'd go on it and if there was something you weren't supposed to see, you'd still do it but with the added fear of looking back over your shoulder hoping your parents wouldn't catch you.

Suicide/cutting forums for 12 year olds weren't a thing, and if they were, it was nothing like the hashtags that exist today and only the more techy kids would end up on /b/ or something of that nature. Regardless, kids being exposed to awful things will always happen, and seeing gore or whatever isn't the worst thing that can happen. I think what's worse is the overabundance of information that exists today, most of which is absolute trash that I wouldn't even recommend a 40 year old to consume let alone a 12 year old.

I don't think the writer of the article is being ludicrous by taking away access to certain apps from the poison of the internet. You literally get dumber consuming that stuff. Being called a noob in battlefield is a poor example with what the author is trying to convey

Re: Porn is not the worst thing on Musical.ly

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spoken like somebody who is not under the age of 18 or has anyone who is living in their home.

As someone who is under the age of 18, I would respectfully have to agree with the statement in question. The Smartphone -- or more specifically the internet -- has provided us, adolescents, a powerful platform to learn anything we want and develop into technically literate and ethical adults. Unfortunately, this has and will continue to not be the case. The internet has evolved from being a source of knowledge into…

I'm not old enough to school the youngs but I'm old enough to take delight in sounding like a curmudgeon, but your comment would be recited nearly verbatim at some poetry slam of decades ago, except replacing "the internet" with such things as

- tv

- mass culture

- the suburbs

- the city

- small town/rural life

- sexual activity when everyone is having it, except you

- the written word

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