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Two Photographers Unknowingly Shot the Same Millisecond in Time

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Re: Two Photographers Unknowingly Shot the Same Millisecond in Time

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Post by gkya »

goblin89 wrote: post #25

Two professional photographers having independently selected the exact same frame from two different bursts they captured with their cameras is an interesting instance, illustrating the pro-AI argument in photography and possibly adjacent creative domains. Grossly simplified, two humans went through dozens or hundreds of shots with identical internal “algorithm” and did the same work twice. This shows that the algori…

These aren't the exact same frame at all. They are photoes of the same thing, that's certainly true, but the photoes are quite different. Risman's photo is way more dramatic and moving with all that contrast, bright, defined colours, and dark shadows. Gendron's instead looks quite composed, with pastel colours and less distinguishing details, and has more of a quiet grandeur to it. They'd hardly pick the same photo from their bursts if it was not for the big wave that struck the lighthouse. Artistic expression includes the selection of the scene, but also more. It's in the way the cameras were set up, the photoes were post-processed, the way accents were decided, and how the photoes are perceived now that we are seeing them.

Re: Two Photographers Unknowingly Shot the Same Millisecond in Time

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Post by mod »

LesZedCB wrote: post #127
jastanton wrote: post #123

I once plugged my usb cable in on the first try. Goes to show you anything is possible!! Edit: upon further inspection it turns out it was USB-C. Nevermind, all is right with the world :)

i know it's a joke, but the usb logo on the plug is always on top, so you can just orient it 'up' according to the underlying board (up for laptops, and facing left for desktops)

Yeah, but then you're just guessing at the orientation of the board, so it's still anyone's guess.

Re: Two Photographers Unknowingly Shot the Same Millisecond in Time

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Post by herogreen »

ger_in_no wrote: post #116
yangyang wrote: post #96

I had the same thing happen with one of my photos of lightning in London. I actually thought my shot had been ripped off at first glance, then realised it was from a different angle. Mine: https://www.flickr.com/photos/beechlights/2739042419/in/phot... Alternative, from the Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/earth/2515...

Looks at first sight like much of a bigger coincidence, but given that you probably both used a long shutter speed (yours seems to have been 6s) and selected the nicest of a number of shots, it's not like there are crazy chances against getting two almost identical shots like this.

Actually that could be much more likely if both used automated triggering.

Re: Two Photographers Unknowingly Shot the Same Millisecond in Time

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Post by seszett »

cozzyd wrote: post #160
seszett wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on what age you are, if you are less than 30 it's not very difficult to get to Dumont d'Urville. I went to Kerguelen island myself as a sysadmin (14 months, a winterover). I had the choice between Kerguelen, Crozet, New Amsterdam and Dumont d'Urville, I don't regret my choice at all even if Kerguelen lacks the special distinction of being on Antarctica . The Polar Institute, IPEV, recruits about 10 or so IT-r…

I've always been strangely fascinated by Kerguelen. Maybe I should try to figure out if I can justify doing an experiment there...

There's a cosmic rays detector that I was in charge of, even if I have little idea how it works. Apparently, it requires some very toxic gas (I have forgotten its name... something with -fluor- in it maybe?) that has since become forbidden from shipping.

So there are a few spares remaining on the island (forbidden from shipping away anyway) but no legal way to keep operating once they are used up.

Re: Two Photographers Unknowingly Shot the Same Millisecond in Time

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Post by alanfalcon »

RivieraKid wrote: post #92
skrebbel wrote: post #36

This is typical birthday paradox stuff right? The chance that these two photographers would ever snap the same thing at the same time is small, but the chance that any two photographers, anywhere, would do so is, I bet, pretty big (even if you factor in millisecond precision). With photographers being photographers and the internet being the internet, there's also a pretty decent change that they'd find out about it…

> but the chance that any two photographers, anywhere, would do so is, I bet, pretty big Not necessarily, but the the chance of any crazy coincidence happening and reaching HN homepage is quite big. Next time it might be two people with same name writing the exact same tweet independently. Or perhaps one guy winning the World Series of Poker two times in a row with the same winning hand. When there's a million "kinds…

But the coincidence that makes it to the top of HN is when the poker guy wins his third WS using the exact same hand. (At this point he played the hand entirely out of superstition at a negative EV but got insanely lucky. He will eventually lose all his winnings playing that hand again and again for the rest of his life. But they’ll name the hand after him, so maybe it will all have been worth it.)

Re: Two Photographers Unknowingly Shot the Same Millisecond in Time

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Post by omgPhysics »

Same millisecond? Prove it... I would buy same 10ms. If two cameras with frame rates of about 8frames/sec were shooting at random, the probability that they are in the same millisecond is very low, like 1.5% or so. If they were in the same 10ms interval... more like 14.5%! Actually not that low, and the apparent difference in the waves might not actually be significant in 10ms (supposing the water was at it's maximum height 10ms^2*9.8m/s2=>less than a mm of movement!). Suppose that within a cm the photographs look the same, then this implies a time interval (at max water height) of 31ms. Over 31ms given the snapshot intervals there is about 38% chance of the photos being of the same 'moment'.

Re: Two Photographers Unknowingly Shot the Same Millisecond in Time

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Post by excalibur »

JepZ wrote: post #69
TehCorwiz wrote: post #23

This has always been one of my favorite photographic coincidences. https://calculatedimages.blogspot.com/2013/05/3d-lightning.h...

The result is a pretty cool 3d photo of lightning.

It's kind of amusing that in the 3D model the lightning bolt's shadow is visible, as if it were an obstruction rather than a light source.

Re: Two Photographers Unknowingly Shot the Same Millisecond in Time

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Post by John_KZ »

herogreen wrote: post #183
ger_in_no wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks at first sight like much of a bigger coincidence, but given that you probably both used a long shutter speed (yours seems to have been 6s) and selected the nicest of a number of shots, it's not like there are crazy chances against getting two almost identical shots like this.

Actually that could be much more likely if both used automated triggering.

Yep, this is one situation where it's actually reasonable. The fact that they both used automatic triggering, and that took a lot of pictures over the period of the thunderstorm make it realistic. I personally don't believe the man in the article. It's easy to make a second account to pretend to be a different photographer (or have a friend pretend), and equally easy to set up 2 cameras to a trigger. There's a lot of competition in photography now days, so I would not be surprised to discover yet another publicity stunt.
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