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Coinbase Index Fund

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Re: Coinbase Index Fund

#41

Couldn't anyone just copy the composition of this fund and buy the same cryptos themselves without paying management fees or being locked in to Coinbase?

Yes, but it would take a lot of work, and would need to be updated whenever market share for a coin changes.

Not really a lot of work. They only rebalance annually.

https://am.coinbase.com/documents/cbi-methodology.pdf

Edit: Looks like someone found the same info.

Re: Coinbase Index Fund

#42
post #5

Seems dishonest to not use a linear scale on this graph: https://am.coinbase.com/index Also, the minimum investment and management fee found here don't look too appealing: Minimum Investment: $10,000 2% annual management fee https://am.coinbase.com/#invest

why is it dishonest to not use a linear scale? When you're investing, you're generally looking for relative-yield-over-timescale, which is appropriately charted as logarithmic.

When you're investing you usually become suspicious of 300% per year returns. Yet that's what this fund would have returned over the last three years if it had been available since the start of the graph. Using a log scale makes it look sane in comparison.

Re: Coinbase Index Fund

#43
post #5

Seems dishonest to not use a linear scale on this graph: https://am.coinbase.com/index Also, the minimum investment and management fee found here don't look too appealing: Minimum Investment: $10,000 2% annual management fee https://am.coinbase.com/#invest

2% annual management fee is peanuts for coinbase. Thats not how they are going to make their money on this.

Its clearly is about market information. If they were to capture enough funds in the index, they can straight up manipulate the market to choose the coin they want to release: they can charge whatever they want for the next coin release upfront, no cost to them or to the coin seller.

It truly is the era of the pump&dumps

Re: Coinbase Index Fund

#44

"Available to US accredited investors." It seems a little ironic that any Joe Blow with a credit card can buy cryptocurrency, at presumably higher risk since he's managing the assets himself, but he can't invest in this fund.

Yes. You can only buy this if you can show income over 200k USD for the past 2-3 years (or meet other criteria which are less common for people on HN).

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/accreditedinvestor.asp

Re: Coinbase Index Fund

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Automatic and cheap balancing For someone unknown definition of “balancing.” (Rebalancing and re-weighting or re-constituting are different things.)

It's only "unknown" if you refuse to read. https://am.coinbase.com/documents/cbi-methodology.pdf Edit: sorry, this came across more aggressive than I meant for it to be!

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Re: Coinbase Index Fund

#46
There are many people ("traditional" hedge fund managers) outside of the crypto world that want "exposure" without having to figure out which ones to pick.

This seems like a perfect product for them.

But from what I understand.. If $100 in invested into the index fund, $67 of bitcoin is bought, $27 of Ethereum, $7 of Bitcoin Cash, and $4 of Litecoin.

Bitcoin - 62% Ethereum - 27% Bitcoin Cash - 7% Litecoin - 4%

Doesn't that make it so that the market favors incumbents?

Re: Coinbase Index Fund

#47
post #30

Couldn't anyone just copy the composition of this fund and buy the same cryptos themselves without paying management fees or being locked in to Coinbase?

The transaction costs would probably add up to more than 2% depending on how accurately you wanted to track the index, plus it sounds like a bunch of work. (Edit: I'm not saying it's actually worth 2%, which seems excessive)

With a 0% maker and [0] - https://www.gdax.com/fees/BTC-USD

Re: Coinbase Index Fund

#48

"Available to US accredited investors." It seems a little ironic that any Joe Blow with a credit card can buy cryptocurrency, at presumably higher risk since he's managing the assets himself, but he can't invest in this fund.

The upside of crypto currency is the amount of agency it currently gives to the holder. The downside of crypto currency is that as personal agency increases the protections from making bad decisions usually decreases. Ulterior motives aside, of which there are a few, the historical reasons that Joe Average is blocked from certain types of investment is because he was making enough bad decisions to warrant aid. Whether or not it's right to impose restrictions on Jack Everybody to protect Joe Average depends largely on your political outlook.

Re: Coinbase Index Fund

#49
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I know transaction costs in cryptocurrencies tend to be high by financial standards. What would be a normal transaction cost by financial standards?

Charles Schwab, which is relatively high, charges $8/trade (for unmanaged trades).

$8 per tx seems like a very high fee for cryptocurrency transactions.

Re: Coinbase Index Fund

#50
post #30

Couldn't anyone just copy the composition of this fund and buy the same cryptos themselves without paying management fees or being locked in to Coinbase?

The transaction costs would probably add up to more than 2% depending on how accurately you wanted to track the index, plus it sounds like a bunch of work. (Edit: I'm not saying it's actually worth 2%, which seems excessive)

The index they track reabalances annually [1].

[1] https://am.coinbase.com/documents/cbi-methodology.pdf 6.10

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