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Xi Jinping decides to abolish presidential term limits

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Re: Xi Jinping decides to abolish presidential term limits

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US is a big bully with its Monroe Doctrine, dictator or not. This is China's version.

Just because the US does it doesn't make it right, and it doesn't make it any less concerning for the other countries in the region. Moral relativism isn't a good defense.

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Is it disturbing from a US POV, or generally speaking? Because if I recall correctly, the US military spending has gone up significantly as well, also it's projected to rise even further in the future. On a related note, could someone explain to me how Russia manages to stay a threat with a military budget that's about 6% of the US budget? Or does it only seem to be that smaller because their soldiers are payed less?

"Because if I recall correctly, the US military spending has gone up significantly as well, also it's projected to rise even further in the future." US military expenditures are also very disturbing.

US military expenditures are also very disturbing.

Yes and no. Remember how much goes on white elephants like the F35 and the Zumwalt-class. Does China have programmes like that?

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Can you elaborate more on why China's increasing military budget is a disturbing sign to you? China spends a mere 1.9% of its GDP in 2016 and that number is smaller than from Vietnam, Korea, India even Singapore [0]. To me China is only trying catching up its neighbors. BTW Japan's PM has just submitted his 2018 Military Budget and if approved would be the 6th "straight annual increase" [1]. [0]: https://data.worldba…

China has been getting aggressive with India, sometimes it feels like somebody needs a war to manage economics.

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China has been getting aggressive with India, sometimes it feels like somebody needs a war to manage economics.

China has been getting aggressive with India India is a nuclear power. Then again so is the UK and Argentina still invaded, so maybe that's not so much of a deterrent.

Would the UK really nuke Argentina over the Falklands? That's just absurd.

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Is it disturbing from a US POV, or generally speaking? Because if I recall correctly, the US military spending has gone up significantly as well, also it's projected to rise even further in the future. On a related note, could someone explain to me how Russia manages to stay a threat with a military budget that's about 6% of the US budget? Or does it only seem to be that smaller because their soldiers are payed less?

"Because if I recall correctly, the US military spending has gone up significantly as well, also it's projected to rise even further in the future." US military expenditures are also very disturbing.

The US defense expenditure as a percent of GDP has gone down as a long term trend.

https://goo.gl/images/sQPFFy

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Can you elaborate more on why China's increasing military budget is a disturbing sign to you? China spends a mere 1.9% of its GDP in 2016 and that number is smaller than from Vietnam, Korea, India even Singapore [0]. To me China is only trying catching up its neighbors. BTW Japan's PM has just submitted his 2018 Military Budget and if approved would be the 6th "straight annual increase" [1]. [0]: https://data.worldba…

This is a sign that Xi Jinping wants to become a dictator, and it concerns other countries if a giant country like China with a massive military is controlled by a dictator with unlimited power. China has every right to have a large military to defend itself, but a dictator might use the military to be aggressive to other countries. China's GDP is several times bigger[1] than Vietnam, Korea, India, and Singapore, so…

Go check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynasties_in_Chinese_history

China has always been ruled by dynasties. I don't see any specific reason why it should change under Xi. It is a wet dream of USA to bring instability to China to weaken rising dragon.

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Strange as it is, centrally planned economies are kicking the West's arse right now. We're busy electing far right faux populists (like Italy yesterday) and giving money to the rich.

China is a hyper-capitalist country; referring to it as a centrally planned economy is intellectually dishonest.

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It doesn't just disturb the US, but every country surrounding China that is dominated by the strongest power in the region. The weaker countries have no choice but to accept unfavorable trade deals, give up ocean territory away from what is the accepted as international convention, etc. China is big. China being ran by a dictator becomes a big bully.

US is a big bully with its Monroe Doctrine, dictator or not. This is China's version.

Yes, and it is problematic when the US does it, and it will be problematic when China does it.

One country doing terrible things intervening in other countries is not an excuse for other countries to get involved and do the same thing.

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Two things give me some hope. 1. I don't think totalitarianism lends itself to economic prosperity, long term. Sure, the right authoritarian can move much faster and implement beneficial changes much more quickly than a democratic government can. But that knife cuts both ways. 2. The entire government system in China, and it's culture, heavily values stability and collective unity (hence it's desire to squash and eli…

Naively, and based on historical data, I agree with point #1. What worries me about China is that they've had no problem--politically or technologically--collecting massive data sets on their citizenry via a level of mass surveillance that's never been reached AFAICT. On top of that, they're investing hard in artificial intelligence, and the benefits will ultimately be reaped by whoever's in charge of the datasets (i…

I remember reading an intro to Orwell's Animal Farm that discussed Orwell's ability to see the dystopian use of technology, but couldn't see how it could liberate a citizenry from totalitarianism (like the shortwave, for example).

I think the same of this high level tech as well. I could be wrong, but I think individuals do desire freedom and agency, and as long as that desire is there in some, it's going to be hard to squash.

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Can you elaborate more on why China's increasing military budget is a disturbing sign to you? China spends a mere 1.9% of its GDP in 2016 and that number is smaller than from Vietnam, Korea, India even Singapore [0]. To me China is only trying catching up its neighbors. BTW Japan's PM has just submitted his 2018 Military Budget and if approved would be the 6th "straight annual increase" [1]. [0]: https://data.worldba…

It is disturbing because China did not hesitate to kill 10000 of their own people in 1989 on a shoestring budget, and faced no consequence. Who knows what they would do to Taiwan, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, etc.

> Who knows what they would do to Taiwan, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, etc.

Okay, that's at least two countries that killed 10000+ of their own people since WW2.

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