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Notes on Analytics and Tracking in Onavo Protect for iOS

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Re: Notes on Analytics and Tracking in Onavo Protect for iOS

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Most people would expect a VPN to protect their data from websites, rather than sharing it with Facebook.

That is a different argument than what the author is making in the article. Don't go on a tangent. Also, Onavo was acquired by FB in 2013. What were you expecting FB to do with it? It is not even the most popular VPN app.

I made no argument.

I presented factual and new information about what data is collected and asked some questions.

Re: Notes on Analytics and Tracking in Onavo Protect for iOS

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post #36

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The app description does not even mention privacy.

It does say "take charge of how you use mobile data and protect your personal info." Protect personal info from what? That implies privacy.

From attackers maybe?

Protection in no way implies privacy.

Re: Notes on Analytics and Tracking in Onavo Protect for iOS

#54
post #35

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Well the app description explicitly says that it collects traffic.

VPNs by definition gather information about browsing behavior. Sharing it with Facebook is where it becomes an issue.

It's not an issue if you care enough to read the description. This is not some underhanded sneaky thing that Facebook's trying to hide. Users can choose not to install the app.

Re: Notes on Analytics and Tracking in Onavo Protect for iOS

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post #53

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It does say "take charge of how you use mobile data and protect your personal info." Protect personal info from what? That implies privacy.

From attackers maybe? Protection in no way implies privacy.

This is not about your expectations. This is about the expectations of a user who knows that VPN stands for "Virtual Private Network", and that the feature has the word "Protect" in the title.

FB creates the expectation of privacy by using those terms, and they (or you) don't get out from under that expectation by splitting hairs.

Re: Notes on Analytics and Tracking in Onavo Protect for iOS

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I can't uninstall whatsapp because my entire family communicates via whatsapp.

I convinced my family to move to Signal. Perhaps try that.

Conversely I found Line messenger works well. :-)

Re: Notes on Analytics and Tracking in Onavo Protect for iOS

#57

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I remember uninstalling Facebook was pretty difficult. I was only able to truly get rid of it by rooting my phone(I didn't do it for that purpose, but that ended up being one benefit). They must pay Samsung a lot of money because there's no good reason why a non-critical app would be so hard to remove.

I recently bought a Samsung Galaxy J7 Prime and was able to uninstall Facebook the same way that you would uninstall any other Facebook app. It's the first Samsung phone I've ever used that was like that.

That would almost make me upgrade my note 3 to another Samsung. If it wasn't for their Geo locking.

Re: Notes on Analytics and Tracking in Onavo Protect for iOS

#58

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I remember uninstalling Facebook was pretty difficult. I was only able to truly get rid of it by rooting my phone(I didn't do it for that purpose, but that ended up being one benefit). They must pay Samsung a lot of money because there's no good reason why a non-critical app would be so hard to remove.

Wouldn't merely disabling the app (in system -> applications) have accomplished the same except for freeing up a couple hundred megs of storage on the system partition? Disabled apps don't have their services run.

Yes, but I also want that space. Nothing changes the fact that it really doesn't have a right to be there. :)

Also, there were other apps that I could only disable. I think YouTube might have been one of them, and I would really prefer to use NewPipe instead. So once I was rooted it was kind of like "Well, might as well delete ALL of that crap."

Re: Notes on Analytics and Tracking in Onavo Protect for iOS

#59

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That is a different argument than what the author is making in the article. Don't go on a tangent. Also, Onavo was acquired by FB in 2013. What were you expecting FB to do with it? It is not even the most popular VPN app.

I made no argument. I presented factual and new information about what data is collected and asked some questions.

Your point was vpn collected all data sent and received from a device. You could have just tweeted that as that is always true.

Instead, from what it appears, you were trying to prop up views by calling out a facebook specific vpn and how it collected all data - as in you were expecting that to behave differently.

Re: Notes on Analytics and Tracking in Onavo Protect for iOS

#60

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I made no argument. I presented factual and new information about what data is collected and asked some questions.

Your point was vpn collected all data sent and received from a device. You could have just tweeted that as that is always true. Instead, from what it appears, you were trying to prop up views by calling out a facebook specific vpn and how it collected all data - as in you were expecting that to behave differently.

I would recommend you go and read the post, because what you are saying is simply not true.

I never claimed they are collecting all data sent and recieved from the device, nor would I have any ability to credibly make that claim without access to their servers. I only addressed what is observable in the app’s code.

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