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Re: Uber self-driving trucks are now moving cargo for Uber Freight customers

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Without the rails.

Will Uber pay a bigger portion of the road repair taxes? Especially considering truckers already pay a disproportionately lower tax compared to the impact they have on the roads.

That sounds like a problem with the trucking industry, not Uber. So the trucking industry as a whole should be the thing being taxed more.

Re: Uber self-driving trucks are now moving cargo for Uber Freight customers

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Will Uber pay a bigger portion of the road repair taxes? Especially considering truckers already pay a disproportionately lower tax compared to the impact they have on the roads.

This represents a fundamental misunderstanding of the rationale for taxation. There is a societal benefit to efficient means of transportation. You, along with most other people, are reaping the benefits of truckers using roads to deliver cargo.

The rationale for taxation has changed over time. We are no longer on the gold standard, so the reasons for taxation are different. But overall the reason for taxation hasn't changed, which is to maintain the demand for the central money supply. This of course is the rationale for sovereign entities with their own money supply like the United States. The rationale for taxes for towns, counties, etc is completely different.

Re: Uber self-driving trucks are now moving cargo for Uber Freight customers

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> So, which exact parts are self-driving? Just enough of it that they can skirt the DOT hour rules about hours worked while still blaming the driver for any crashes or tickets would be my guess. That's the obvious lowest hanging fruit as far as trucking is concerned. If you can automate enough of the long haul grind that the driver could possibly be sleeping then you have a massive competitive advantage over everyone…

> Just enough of it that they can skirt the DOT hour rules Source?

Source: plausible extrapolation based on Uber's storied history of violating labor laws to one extent or another in just about every market they've entered.

Re: Uber self-driving trucks are now moving cargo for Uber Freight customers

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The video ad is so crazy -- we still need a human to lock/unlock the cargo?? and its good for the truckers because they can go home early to their family?? The first part can be trivially automated and the second is just stupid. Truckers get paid per hour of work, less work == less money. AI-self-driving has arrived but to make the transition look "humane" as in the AD is crazy. Almost insults the intelligence of the…

It is probably harder to automate the last few miles. The Uber depots in the video can be standardized, but terminal pickup and dropoff is legacy. That cramped loading bay in the downtown Giant Eagle in Pittsburgh is never gonna get much better.

Re: Uber self-driving trucks are now moving cargo for Uber Freight customers

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I feel like they re-invented the train. :-)

Trains are much less flexible. They have more constraints on their schedules, they have to share tracks, they only go certain places, you have to stop the entire train with all its freight in order to add any more freight, the unloading and loading points are much harder to scale.

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You’re right it’s not that novel. Volvo has self-driving* truck convoys going back to the 90s I think. I think for long-haul trucking it’s certainly pretty hard to stay fully tuned while driving for such long times. And for truck companies, they can save tons of money on labor when they don’t have to pay the driver for the hours on the road and just for the manual disconnect/connect docking. Maybe they can make it fu…

Since the 90s ?? That's very impressive if true. I remember reading about a proposition to do this for cars years ago, before any talk of self driving vehicles. A car would lock in behind a professional driver vehicle such as a truck or bus and match the turning and braking. I didn't think the tech existed though

I edited the original comment to include a source. Serious talk of self-driving cars was around by then, as they had already successfully used auto-pilot in planes, it wasn't that infeasible.

Re: Uber self-driving trucks are now moving cargo for Uber Freight customers

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For those concerned with jobs to be eliminated, it might not be as big a problem as we think for the trucking industry. "Over the next 10 years, he said, we need to attract almost 900,000 new people to the industry. Demographics is a big part of the problem. ATA’s research arm, the American Transportation Research Institute, recently updated its demographic data on drivers and found some 57% of drivers are 45 or olde…

> However, the economic pie will be enlarged and there will be more to share. How the fruits of technology will be distributed will depend to a large extent on negotiations and politics.

I think this is you ceding your original comment. I think most people clearly understand this is merely a (potential) distribution problem.

Re: Uber self-driving trucks are now moving cargo for Uber Freight customers

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For those concerned with jobs to be eliminated, it might not be as big a problem as we think for the trucking industry. "Over the next 10 years, he said, we need to attract almost 900,000 new people to the industry. Demographics is a big part of the problem. ATA’s research arm, the American Transportation Research Institute, recently updated its demographic data on drivers and found some 57% of drivers are 45 or olde…

Automated Teller Machines (ATMs) were set to put Bank Tellers out of a job, but since its introduction, the number of Bank Tellers increased [0]. While I can't guarantee that something similar will happen for truckers, automation does not guarantee that fewer humans will be employed doing that specific job.

[0] http://www.aei.org/publication/what-atms-bank-tellers-rise-r...

Re: Uber self-driving trucks are now moving cargo for Uber Freight customers

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The video ad is so crazy -- we still need a human to lock/unlock the cargo?? and its good for the truckers because they can go home early to their family?? The first part can be trivially automated and the second is just stupid. Truckers get paid per hour of work, less work == less money. AI-self-driving has arrived but to make the transition look "humane" as in the AD is crazy. Almost insults the intelligence of the…

weaving machinery is going to drive out of work all the textile workers!

Re: Uber self-driving trucks are now moving cargo for Uber Freight customers

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The video ad is so crazy -- we still need a human to lock/unlock the cargo?? and its good for the truckers because they can go home early to their family?? The first part can be trivially automated and the second is just stupid. Truckers get paid per hour of work, less work == less money. AI-self-driving has arrived but to make the transition look "humane" as in the AD is crazy. Almost insults the intelligence of the…

> who have been driving our cargo around for whole generations

What does that add to the argument? Is there some inherited right to work in a specific line of work? Also, how many generations can that be? 3-4?

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