How Airlines don’t care about privacy: Case Study Emirates.com • Hacker News Board

Re: How Airlines don’t care about privacy: Case Study Emirates.com

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Post by fareesh » Tue, Mar 06, 2018, 11:42 AM UTC

paulie_a wrote: post #129

joosters wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will still hit the same problems they described for some sites. Because some JS has been blocked by your blocker, certain websites will have buttons that just don't work. This is frustrating when those buttons are key things like 'buy' or 'confirm'.

Then those sites do not deserve your business

I agree with the sentiment but it's not always possible.

In the case of airlines, sometimes you have no choice but to go with a particular carrier because there is no other carrier who will take you to your destination with seats available that meet your schedule.

You also wouldn't know of these practices until much after you have already paid for your ticket, by which time your booking is already in the hands of a few hundred other "trusted third party" employees.

Re: How Airlines don’t care about privacy: Case Study Emirates.com

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Post by Aissen » Tue, Mar 06, 2018, 3:31 PM UTC

hermitdev wrote: post #18

ggm wrote: post #13

I oftentimes reach for my 'call the regulator' button when I read these articles. Whats odd is how many people say "god no..." as if there was some consequential downside to using the very government entity we created (in law) to make corporate entities "do the right thing" when they don't appear to want to do it voluntarily. So.. here we go. Explain to me, why we don't want to enact law to require (through regulatio…

I'm waiting for someone to state "when you're not paying for something, you are the product", except in this case, you are paying for something, yet you're still the product. This is just...disgusting.

This quote also completely forgets open source and non profits exist and provide things.

Re: How Airlines don’t care about privacy: Case Study Emirates.com

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Post by untog » Tue, Mar 06, 2018, 8:30 PM UTC

thaumasiotes wrote: post #91

untog wrote: post #83

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One practical use is talking to people you're on a flight with but not say next to. I can't say I'd be a regular user of that feature, but I do find myself on flights like that from time to time.

If you're all online anyway, wouldn't you already know how to reach those people?

"If you're all online anyway" is a reasonably sized caveat. I often don't bother buying in flight WiFi because you can't do all that much with it.

Re: How Airlines don’t care about privacy: Case Study Emirates.com

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Post by kkm » Tue, Mar 06, 2018, 10:22 PM UTC

Updates:

- March 6th, 2018:

Emirates responded with a standard statement.

Excerpt: “The depiction in Mr Modi’s article as to what data is being shared, or customer choice in ‘opting out’ is inaccurate.”

Here is my response: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16532591

Re: How Airlines don’t care about privacy: Case Study Emirates.com

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Post by beart » Wed, Mar 07, 2018, 9:19 PM UTC

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #143

Browsers need to take a hardline stance on external content and stop allowing pages to load anything whatsoever from external domains. But they won't, becuase one of them is Google.

Wouldn't this just lead to these websites putting everything behind a reverse proxy? That would make it harder to detect and block third party scripts.

Re: How Airlines don’t care about privacy: Case Study Emirates.com

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Post by Zak » Wed, Mar 07, 2018, 9:23 PM UTC

distances wrote: post #162

Zak wrote: post #139

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> That includes generating ad revenues from EU based eyeballs. That would be fairly hard to enforce against a company that doesn't have a physical or legal presence in the EU. In general, I'm disturbed by governments trying to enforce laws beyond their border just because their citizens are somehow involved by sending information over the internet. In some fields, it's a legal minefield just to comply with the rules…

> In general, I'm disturbed by governments trying to enforce laws beyond their border just because their citizens are somehow involved by sending information over the internet. Isn't it simple enough to geoblock areas if European customers are somehow too hard to serve? > In some fields, it's a legal minefield just to comply with the rules of one country, much less several. This won't be a major difficulty for big pl…

Geoblocking is breaking the internet.

While I agree that startups should be respectful of privacy, that doesn't change the principle at work here. Allowing countries to enforce laws against companies that don't have a physical or legal presence within their borders is a dangerous mechanism. Introducing a dangerous mechanism to enforce a good policy will result in that mechanism being used for a bad policy later on.

Re: How Airlines don’t care about privacy: Case Study Emirates.com

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Post by unethical_ban » Thu, Mar 08, 2018, 4:41 PM UTC

virgilp wrote: post #152

unethical_ban wrote: post #149

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I've thought about it for several seconds and don't see what is wrong with the quote. It is a cheap and easy way to explain to non-technical people that when something is "free" the provider is getting something back. Payment for advertising to you, collected data from you, and so on. If you(general) understand that, and are OK with that, then continue. But don't be naive.

What does Linus (& the rest of the Linux developers) get from YOU?

Well, Linus and other groups make such good software that companies pay them to make it directly or otherwise; other people release code for showing their own portfolio like an artist, to prove their skills; others do it so people on the Internet can help improve the code. And finally, none of this matters, because that rule applies to organizations making money (or trying to). Jane Hobbyist writing device drivers for the love of the job isn't a part of the saying.