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Re: Stigler Diet

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I created a diet optimized for maximum dietary fiber and protein with minimum calories (optimized separately). Highest fiber/calorie ratio is generally cruciferous vegetables; highest protein/calorie is fish and chicken (skinless boneless breast meat). Using these two food groups I can satisfy my macronutritional requirements on 600 calories/day. I add a multivitamin in case I missed anything. Based on these paramete…

Not all fiber is equivalent. The fiber in legumes tends to be highly fermentable, and provide far more in the way of health benefits than the fiber in vegetables such as broccoli.

Lentils are pretty much nature's perfect food when considering cost, protein and fiber content. Additionally, lentils are low in methionine. I don't put much stock in methionine restriction for human longevity, it does work in rodents, so if you want to be a guinea pig (couldn't resist) they're good in that respect too.

Eggs are also excellent for their high essential fatty acid content, and this may sound counter-intuitive but if you eat a lot of beans dietary cholesterol is actually beneficial. High quality eggs are also a really good source of vitamins E and D.

Finally, though they're unfortunately not so cheap, hemp seeds provide you with both omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids and minerals. A mix of sunflower or pumpkin seeds and chia seeds works well and is cheaper if you're optimizing for cost.

The only vitamin that I think is worth supplementing is niacin. Niacin has been shown to increase BDNF levels in animals which can help with mood and memory formation, and it has also been shown to increase lifespan by 10-15%. For people who don't go outside and don't consume much milk vitamin D might also be a good idea.

Re: Stigler Diet

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Ironically, this diet isn't too far off the diet I've formulated for optimal nutrition, which is based on substantial literature review.

In terms of optimal nutrition, the core of the diet I've come upon is:

* Lentils/split peas - the core of the diet, high in fermentable fiber, protein, vitamins and minerals

* Yogurt - inexpensive source of high quality protein, vitamin d and calcium, the basis for smoothies

* Sauerkraut - cheap, filling, acts as a probiotic which when paired with lentils ensures a lactobacillus dominant microbiome.

* Eggs - cheap source of high quality protein, omega-6 essential fatty acids, vitamin d & e.

* Seeds - mostly chia and hemp, but sunflower and pumpkin are really good as well. These satisfy your omega-3 and omega-6 essential fatty acid requirements and are loaded with minerals. If you skip out on spinach and buy cheap eggs with low vitamin E content then sunflower seeds are excellent.

I also eat a lot of berries (frozen, in smoothies), whey protein and lean pork/chicken, though these are less important in my opinion.

An additional health hack that I highly recommend is to consume a lot of vinegar. The putative health benefits of alcohol are almost certainly due to its metabolism into acetate. By consuming vinegar directly, you skip the production of acetaldehyde (which has been linked to DNA damage). My favorite way to consume vinegar is by pickling vegetables in a vinegar solution, then using them as garnishes to add flavor to meals.

While I understand many people don't put a lot of stock in anecdotal reports, this diet paired with a bodybuilder lifestyle keeps me around 220lbs @ ~12% bodyfat which is quite exceptional considering I'm 6' tall, and naturally obese if I don't watch my diet.

Re: Stigler Diet

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I just did my own version of this diet with a nutrient-dense low-carb approach.

Ground beef: $3.50/lb = $2.19/day

Sardines: $9.99 for 6 - 4.375 oz = $1.67/can = $1.67/day

Fresh spinach: $3.99/2.5 lb (.35 cents/g) = $.84/day

Eggs: $7.99/ 5 dozen (13.3 cents/egg) = $.40/day

Sunflower seeds: $2.49/lb = $.36/day

Butter: $9.99 for 4lbs = $2.50/lb = $.12 cents/day

Total cost: $5.58/day

This is 1800 calories and is 65% fat, 30% protein, and 5% carbohydrate. I used http://nutritiondata.self.com to formulate it and it meets or (far) exceeds every vitamin and mineral requirement except for only 50% DV of Thiamin (not worried about this).

I basically do a version of this but with more expensive boneless short rib (very marbled and delicious) and am in perfect shape (you can find evidence here if you scroll down a bit https://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg )

Spreading this menu over 2 meals (one at noon and one at 7:30pm) will give you a nice intermittent fast. It will also train your body to burn fat instead of sugar. You will be very full off of only 1800 calories and should lose a lot of weight.

Disclaimer: I'm not dispensing nutritional advice as I am not a doctor or dietician. I've just researched this stuff for years and am making the documentary http://foodlies.org

Re: Stigler Diet

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Ironically, this diet isn't too far off the diet I've formulated for optimal nutrition, which is based on substantial literature review. In terms of optimal nutrition, the core of the diet I've come upon is: * Lentils/split peas - the core of the diet, high in fermentable fiber, protein, vitamins and minerals * Yogurt - inexpensive source of high quality protein, vitamin d and calcium, the basis for smoothies * Sauer…

Very cool. I just did a similar exercise also based on a lot of research (posted it on this thread). Interested in your thoughts.

Re: Stigler Diet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or delivered on a pallet for about $1000/person-year: https://www.costco.com/THRIVE-1-Year-Food-Storage-31%2C500-S...

Note that that's $1000/person-year for 1300 calories per day, vs. 3000 calories on the Stigler Diet!

The diet I created and posted here is only $2,000 per year and includes fresh, nutritious foods that don't detract from your health like most of those foods loaded with carbohydrate and sugar would in your example.

Obviously they aren't comparable, I just think it's cool you could live in perfect health for a year for $2,000

Re: Stigler Diet

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Here's a story of a guy who used the same method to come up with the optimal diet for himself: https://www.gwern.net/docs/statistics/decision/1990-dantzig.... The first try he ended up with a diet that required 500 gallons of vinegar a day. There was a mistake in the data that give vinegar 0 weight. The second try ended up with 200 bouillon cubes per day. He didn't put a limit on salt content. Then it gave him 2 poun…

Optimization is not dangerous, it's just that coming up with the correct model is hard.

No model is perfectly correct. That's the problem. Any model that approaches perfection would be unimaginably complicated.

Re: Stigler Diet

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I'm sure we could attempt this today with a larger dataset of foods and nutrients. I know that there's nutritiondata.self.com and the usda's nutrition database, anyone know of an average price dataset for food?

http://nutritiondata.self.com uses the USDA database.

I made a diet with only 5 foods (plus butter) that is ideal for human health and weight loss (posted on this thread).

Re: Stigler Diet

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post #53

I just did my own version of this diet with a nutrient-dense low-carb approach. Ground beef: $3.50/lb = $2.19/day Sardines: $9.99 for 6 - 4.375 oz = $1.67/can = $1.67/day Fresh spinach: $3.99/2.5 lb (.35 cents/g) = $.84/day Eggs: $7.99/ 5 dozen (13.3 cents/egg) = $.40/day Sunflower seeds: $2.49/lb = $.36/day Butter: $9.99 for 4lbs = $2.50/lb = $.12 cents/day Total cost: $5.58/day This is 1800 calories and is 65% fat,…

This can all be bought at Costco with the exception of Sunflower seeds on Amazon.

Re: Stigler Diet

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post #53

I just did my own version of this diet with a nutrient-dense low-carb approach. Ground beef: $3.50/lb = $2.19/day Sardines: $9.99 for 6 - 4.375 oz = $1.67/can = $1.67/day Fresh spinach: $3.99/2.5 lb (.35 cents/g) = $.84/day Eggs: $7.99/ 5 dozen (13.3 cents/egg) = $.40/day Sunflower seeds: $2.49/lb = $.36/day Butter: $9.99 for 4lbs = $2.50/lb = $.12 cents/day Total cost: $5.58/day This is 1800 calories and is 65% fat,…

"Eggs: $7.99/ 5 dozen (13.3 cents/egg) = $.40/day"

Wait, does that mean 3 eggs/day? That would be asking for troubles (cholesterol).

Re: Stigler Diet

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post #53

I just did my own version of this diet with a nutrient-dense low-carb approach. Ground beef: $3.50/lb = $2.19/day Sardines: $9.99 for 6 - 4.375 oz = $1.67/can = $1.67/day Fresh spinach: $3.99/2.5 lb (.35 cents/g) = $.84/day Eggs: $7.99/ 5 dozen (13.3 cents/egg) = $.40/day Sunflower seeds: $2.49/lb = $.36/day Butter: $9.99 for 4lbs = $2.50/lb = $.12 cents/day Total cost: $5.58/day This is 1800 calories and is 65% fat,…

"Eggs: $7.99/ 5 dozen (13.3 cents/egg) = $.40/day" Wait, does that mean 3 eggs/day? That would be asking for troubles (cholesterol).

The hypothesis about dietary cholesterol causing heart disease has been debunked.

"Previously, the Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommended that cholesterol intake be limited to no more than 300 mg/day. The 2015 DGAC will not bring forward this recommendation because available evidence shows no appreciable relationship between consumption of dietary cholesterol and serum cholesterol, consistent with the conclusions of the AHA/ACC report."

Source: https://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015-scientific-report/...

(Office of Disease Prevention and Health Promotion, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services - ODPHP)

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