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Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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> By late 2016, Google executives clearly started becoming disenfranchised by the slow pace ... I assume they mean "disenchanted" -- this sentence makes no sense as written.

Maybe the expansion pace was tied as an incentive to their corporate voting power?

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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GF suffers the same fate of every other Google initiative: new exec decides it can't advance his career so it's starved to death in favor of something shinier. Google won't save us any more than Musk will. It's billionaires launching cars into space and fighting for personal wealth at the detriment of the rest of the society.

> billionaires launching cars into space Can you help me understand the ire over that launch? It's standard that new rockets are tested with a dummy payload to avoid destroying something valuable. Typically that's steel plates, but the Falcon Heavy was going to go up with a useless payload regardless. Saturn I-IV did the same, and V only had a payload because it was a module test and a launch test rolled into one. I…

Most likely due to the same troll farms that paint the narrative that SpaceX wastes tax payer money.

Now who would not want a new private American company to succeed in revitalizing the industry and increasing competition. Hmm, I can think of a few.

It used to be "NASA is a bloated waste of tax payer money let private Enterprise in."

And now the same people who said that, have been convinced that private industry is stealing.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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62.7% of the US population lives in just 3.5% of land area: https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-33....

The problem with arguments like that is that when you start involving the federal government in anything, the expectation is 100% coverage - not 62.7%.

It's worse than that when you account for the fact that rural votes count a lot more than urban votes: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-petrocelli/its-time-t....

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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> PS: I think a similar argument can be made for Tesla. I don't think it is a given that Musk intends for Tesla's success to be an economic one. I think it is though, but probably not in the automotive industry; ATM it still has a lead, just like Apple had for a while on the smartphone market, but I think it'll be passed left and right by the competition. But by then, Tesla won't be (primarily) a car company anymore,…

People always say Tesla is a battery company, but as far as I know their batteries are made by Panasonic and while I'm sure they're doing research on their own batteries, I don't know why you'd expect them to be more successful than a company that already makes batteries and employs researchers to improve them.

I thought changing this was the whole point of the gigafactories.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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I worked for Fiber for two years. It was both (wanting to succeed as a business and wanting to shift the industry), with a primary focus on succeeding as a business, or at least that was what the internal messaging was. I won't comment on any possible changes in the last couple years or why they may have happened, except to say that to the best of my knowledge, at no point was the sentiment, "We've shifted the indust…

> ... at no point was the sentiment, "We've shifted the industry enough that we can stop pretending to want to succeed." I don't doubt you, but I would definitely expect that sort of messaging even if the true primary goal for GF was to be disruptive, as opposed to profitable.

Right, it's possible the executives weren't straightforward with us simple SWEs. But I don't have any particular reason/evidence for believing that in this case. My general priors for such things are somewhere between 0 and 1, exclusive. :)

FWIW, if I were aware of other plausible explanations for the way Fiber has progressed, Occam's Razor would compel me to believe those explanations versus defaulting to cynicism.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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People always say Tesla is a battery company, but as far as I know their batteries are made by Panasonic and while I'm sure they're doing research on their own batteries, I don't know why you'd expect them to be more successful than a company that already makes batteries and employs researchers to improve them.

I thought changing this was the whole point of the gigafactories.

Sure, but why would you assume Tesla is going to be better at making batteries than the companies that have done it for years?

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Our city just built a fiber network and GF was the first to offer service. Since they have come to town, ATT has installed their own fiber network in our neighborhood and Comcast has increased their speeds. I consider our local area disrupted. And I feel no matter what happens with GF, we’ll have faster internet from now on. BTW: cut the cord. GF 1Gb plan with DirecTV Now and YouTube TV.

Unfortunately disruption is a temporary state. Hopefully the existing incumbents will continue to provide enough competition in your area to keep each other in check.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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I thought changing this was the whole point of the gigafactories.

Sure, but why would you assume Tesla is going to be better at making batteries than the companies that have done it for years?

I'm not assuming that.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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I worked for Fiber for two years. It was both (wanting to succeed as a business and wanting to shift the industry), with a primary focus on succeeding as a business, or at least that was what the internal messaging was. I won't comment on any possible changes in the last couple years or why they may have happened, except to say that to the best of my knowledge, at no point was the sentiment, "We've shifted the indust…

GF suffers the same fate of every other Google initiative: new exec decides it can't advance his career so it's starved to death in favor of something shinier. Google won't save us any more than Musk will. It's billionaires launching cars into space and fighting for personal wealth at the detriment of the rest of the society.

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Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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post #93

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I worked for Fiber for two years. It was both (wanting to succeed as a business and wanting to shift the industry), with a primary focus on succeeding as a business, or at least that was what the internal messaging was. I won't comment on any possible changes in the last couple years or why they may have happened, except to say that to the best of my knowledge, at no point was the sentiment, "We've shifted the indust…

GF suffers the same fate of every other Google initiative: new exec decides it can't advance his career so it's starved to death in favor of something shinier. Google won't save us any more than Musk will. It's billionaires launching cars into space and fighting for personal wealth at the detriment of the rest of the society.

This is incorrect. Access is an Alphabet subsidiary separate from Google and its CEO reports to the Alphabet executive team. The people working on it are incentivized for it to succeed, and the next person up is Larry Page.
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