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Ask YC: Have you ever ignored Paul Graham?

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Re: Ask YC: Have you ever ignored Paul Graham?

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This doesn't quite qualify as ignoring, but I think it matches the spirit of the question: I wouldn't be running Tarsnap now if Paul Graham hadn't listed "Single Founder" as the #1 mistake that kills startups. Having read that, I decided I was going to prove him wrong, damnit.

Likewise, though I haven't "got away with it", because I haven't succeeded yet. But I'll show him, oh yes. And then he'll have to amend his advice to "no single founders unless they're really awesome".

Re: Ask YC: Have you ever ignored Paul Graham?

#12

I consider each day that I don't apply to YC an instance of ignoring pg.

If you don't want/need investment money, you're ignoring him in a passive way. It's a side effect of another decision/fact. Everyone can list examples of not caring about something pg wrote/said, because it doesn't apply to him. This post is asking for instances where people actively move counter to his advice.

Re: Ask YC: Have you ever ignored Paul Graham?

#13

Yes. I told him the following in person earlier tonight, at the last YCS10 dinner, and I think it's the consensus among the other founders I've talked to from our batch. For the first month of Y Combinator, Paul Graham will tear you and your startup apart on a weekly basis (when you meet with him during office hours). If you're doing your job as a founder, though, you are the world expert in your particular field. So…

This sounds vaguely similar to one of my favourite phrases:

"Argue like you're right; listen like you're wrong."

Re: Ask YC: Have you ever ignored Paul Graham?

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What's the use? Seriously.

Hero worship aside Mr. Graham is good at what he does; distilling an idea until that potent cocktail is finally derived. This process in itself is something far more important than having an idea in the first place, and in order to truly work with someone like Mr. Graham you need to teach yourself to be ego-less.

It is my ego that says to me; 'no that can't be true at all. He's wrong!' without considering the facts. It's my ego that causes teenage defiance for the sake of defiance. It's quite true that he will be wrong some times, but what is undeniable is the fact that you gain more out of it by simply listening to him.

So, what if he is wrong and you know that you're right? Listen to what he has to say and try to understand why he raised that objection. Perhaps, there's a gem hidden beyond the surface. If something comes up then you've gained something out of it. Otherwise, you can always wait for your turn, reflect, and then grill him on things and try to make him understand your point of view.

This is something really hard to do, but if I was lucky enough to have pg as a mentor, then I think that it would be wiser to work with him. Rather than against him.

Note: I've noticed that this holds true for everybody in virtually any situation, be it Mr. Graham distilling your startup. Or a disagreement with your neighbor next door.

Re: Ask YC: Have you ever ignored Paul Graham?

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post #2

This doesn't quite qualify as ignoring, but I think it matches the spirit of the question: I wouldn't be running Tarsnap now if Paul Graham hadn't listed "Single Founder" as the #1 mistake that kills startups. Having read that, I decided I was going to prove him wrong, damnit.

While I'm happy to run a startup as a single founder myself - I think I'd prefer to invest in teams too. A team already has something to match your investment (the team itself).

Also, I wonder if its not more difficult to judge which single founders will be successful, and easier to judge when it is a small team.

So I think treat this rule as investment advice, but if you're confident of running your own startup, trust yourself rather than PG's advice.

Re: Ask YC: Have you ever ignored Paul Graham?

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I consider each day that I don't apply to YC an instance of ignoring pg.

If you don't want/need investment money, you're ignoring him in a passive way. It's a side effect of another decision/fact. Everyone can list examples of not caring about something pg wrote/said, because it doesn't apply to him. This post is asking for instances where people actively move counter to his advice.

PG advices people to get funds from VCs and whatnot. Actually he doesn't do it explicitly, he just sort of assumes it's the only thing to do; it's the default thing to do! In pretty much the same way that the rest of the world (and many of our parents/family/friends) assume that getting a job is the only option we have after finishing college.

By not applying to YC, you're saying that you can bootstrap yourself.

http://gettingreal.37signals.com/ch02_Fund_Yourself.php

Re: Ask YC: Have you ever ignored Paul Graham?

#17
Paul Graham is not some magic oracle. He's a statistician who has seen, experienced and analyzed (formally and informally) a lot of very rich data. To ignore him and get away with it you either have to be an outlier in his model or the kind of person who would never appear in his model to begin with.

He mainly sees YC applicants and there may be a selection bias among them. Entirely possible that there is a really great trait among founders that makes them unlikely to apply to YC and likely to succeed without his advice.

That said, dude has been around.

Re: Ask YC: Have you ever ignored Paul Graham?

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What's the use? Seriously. Hero worship aside Mr. Graham is good at what he does; distilling an idea until that potent cocktail is finally derived. This process in itself is something far more important than having an idea in the first place, and in order to truly work with someone like Mr. Graham you need to teach yourself to be ego-less. It is my ego that says to me; 'no that can't be true at all. He's wrong!' with…

"What's the use? Seriously."

I agree with what you say but perhaps the OP was just trying to start an interesting discussion.

Re: Ask YC: Have you ever ignored Paul Graham?

#20
post #2

This doesn't quite qualify as ignoring, but I think it matches the spirit of the question: I wouldn't be running Tarsnap now if Paul Graham hadn't listed "Single Founder" as the #1 mistake that kills startups. Having read that, I decided I was going to prove him wrong, damnit.

Hey, Do you hate CSS ;-) When I visited your website, I actually checked my web developer toolbar to see if CSS is disabled.

Can I design tarsnap and provide you a CSS template.

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