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How Airlines don’t care about privacy: Case Study Emirates.com

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Re: How Airlines don’t care about privacy: Case Study Emirates.com

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icebraining wrote: post #88
PhantomGremlin wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I oftentimes reach for my 'call the regulator' button when I read these articles. And what regulator is that? Does Dubai even have a "regulator" overseeing stuff like this? Emirates is wholly owned by the government of Dubai. So basically you would be complaining about one Dubai government agency to another Dubai government agency. Perhaps you could complain about this to some US or EU regulator? Would they care enou…

I live in Portugal, an EU country. After a complaint, our National Data Protection Commission fined one of my neighbors for having posted certain personal data of other tenants on our building hall. They care.

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Re: How Airlines don’t care about privacy: Case Study Emirates.com

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unethical_ban wrote: post #149
virgilp wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That quote is a lazy-soudbite-argument that "you shouldn't use free services" (because "you're the product" and that's "obviously" bad). However, if you stop to think about it for a second, you'll realize that it's dead wrong. It sounds nice & all, but it is in fact meaningless, and probably misguiding.

I've thought about it for several seconds and don't see what is wrong with the quote. It is a cheap and easy way to explain to non-technical people that when something is "free" the provider is getting something back. Payment for advertising to you, collected data from you, and so on. If you(general) understand that, and are OK with that, then continue. But don't be naive.

What does Linus (& the rest of the Linux developers) get from YOU?

Re: How Airlines don’t care about privacy: Case Study Emirates.com

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Post by jlg23 »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #46

I had a coworker who was flying to Morocco (I forget what airline). He called me over to his desk at some point to show me the screen as he was picking out his seat. By each occupied seat was a headshot of the passenger, pulled from what I assume was their Facebook profile. It was amazingly creepy.

This could be due to regulatory requirements on Morocco's side. I regularly fly EUNTFS via LPA with Binter: In/out of Laayoune you have to take your assigned seat, within the Canaries they don't care.

Re: How Airlines don’t care about privacy: Case Study Emirates.com

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Post by fvdessen »

virgilp wrote: post #152
unethical_ban wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've thought about it for several seconds and don't see what is wrong with the quote. It is a cheap and easy way to explain to non-technical people that when something is "free" the provider is getting something back. Payment for advertising to you, collected data from you, and so on. If you(general) understand that, and are OK with that, then continue. But don't be naive.

What does Linus (& the rest of the Linux developers) get from YOU?

Reputation ? (and other network effects that comes with having a large audience)

Re: How Airlines don’t care about privacy: Case Study Emirates.com

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Post by virgilp »

fvdessen wrote: post #154
virgilp wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does Linus (& the rest of the Linux developers) get from YOU?

Reputation ? (and other network effects that comes with having a large audience)

You are the product that gives them reputation?

Note - I'm not saying people don't have a reason to provide free stuff. I'm saying that the soundbite "you're the product!" is lazy, and sometimes misleading.

Re: How Airlines don’t care about privacy: Case Study Emirates.com

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Post by pc86 »

monksy wrote: post #79

This should not be a surpise. Most business types don't give a shit about anything but money. Community, social, environment, or any other negative externaliaities. They just don't care. They're after and bound to "feduciary" responsiblity. (Short term reward and ignoring long term consequences) I realize that was a moral high horse: I'm curious about how you can reward people for positive long term growth.

Fiduciary responsibility does not necessitate a short term thought process. If you can show that the long term negative consequences outweigh the short term positive ones, the people you're complaining about will listen. The problem is that you can't tie these things to a negative financial impact. Boards of Directors frankly don't give a shit about your moral high horse, nor is that their job. Get off it and prove to them that your positive long term growth strategy will result in high overall profitability and they'll listen.

But, as someone else stated, airline tickets are a commodity now. So until you're personally going to be paying more for identical tickets because of something like this, be prepared to reap what you sow.

Re: How Airlines don’t care about privacy: Case Study Emirates.com

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Post by pc86 »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #143

Browsers need to take a hardline stance on external content and stop allowing pages to load anything whatsoever from external domains. But they won't, becuase one of them is Google.

So in addition to explaining to your parents what an SSL cert is you want to explain to them which domains should be whitelisted and which shouldn't?

Re: How Airlines don’t care about privacy: Case Study Emirates.com

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Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

pc86 wrote: post #157
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #143

Browsers need to take a hardline stance on external content and stop allowing pages to load anything whatsoever from external domains. But they won't, becuase one of them is Google.

So in addition to explaining to your parents what an SSL cert is you want to explain to them which domains should be whitelisted and which shouldn't?

What does this have to do with my comment?

Re: How Airlines don’t care about privacy: Case Study Emirates.com

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Post by deadmetheny »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #143

Browsers need to take a hardline stance on external content and stop allowing pages to load anything whatsoever from external domains. But they won't, becuase one of them is Google.

Yeah that's exactly what we need, browsers arbitrarily deciding what content is allowed to be loaded.

Re: How Airlines don’t care about privacy: Case Study Emirates.com

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Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

deadmetheny wrote: post #159
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #143

Browsers need to take a hardline stance on external content and stop allowing pages to load anything whatsoever from external domains. But they won't, becuase one of them is Google.

Yeah that's exactly what we need, browsers arbitrarily deciding what content is allowed to be loaded.

It would not be arbitrary, it would be well defined.
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