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Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that homeowners in the bay area have some next level NIMBY ism that even Google can't overcome. Those fiber huts have to go somewhere...

Well, when you spend several million dollars to buy a house I understand you're likely to be afraid of anything that threaten your investment and turning NIMBY.

With the state of the Australian housing market, having Fiber-optic internet would likely add to the property value

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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This is why I'm happy to live in a country like France where the government takes part in deploying those infrastructures (by investing money in the deployment). They planned to equip 50% of the territory by 2017 (which was achieved), and 100% by 2022. Same goes for public service, profit-focused corporations can't provide the same quality of service.

Funny though. No offense and I love France, and I love Europe (really do!), but FB's and GOOG's and BABA's of the world seem to be ... elsewhere? inverse correlation?

If you want huge cash-money you goto USA. For <=$100K/year EU is probably better. I think, not really sure. But first part is true.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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post #7
post #3

Google seems to halfass a lot of their products. I really had expected it would at least be live in the Bay Area right now. It's not like Google doesn't have the money.

My understanding is that homeowners in the bay area have some next level NIMBY ism that even Google can't overcome. Those fiber huts have to go somewhere...

And yet companies like AT&T and Comcast have been able to improve their infrastructure and launch fiber in more and more areas in the Bay Area (it's more than just San Francisco, you know!)

The cause is not NIMBYism, or any other negative traits you might try to tag on to people from the Bay, but rather, the existing telecom companies and their attempts to protect their pseudo-monopoly.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/03/10/google-fights-att-com...

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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This is why I'm happy to live in a country like France where the government takes part in deploying those infrastructures (by investing money in the deployment). They planned to equip 50% of the territory by 2017 (which was achieved), and 100% by 2022. Same goes for public service, profit-focused corporations can't provide the same quality of service.

Funny though. No offense and I love France, and I love Europe (really do!), but FB's and GOOG's and BABA's of the world seem to be ... elsewhere? inverse correlation?

Do you believe big corps makes the economy stronger?

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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If even Google cannot penetrate this market then it's for all intents and purposes 100% impenetrable. Unless somebody comes up with a radically different strategy, the ISP market in USA should be considered monopolized and should be broken down by the government (fat chance). In any case, it's game over for consumers - abandon all hope.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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I remember the prevailing attitude at the time in message boards being that Google had no real intention of taking this serious and was instead just trying to bluff the entrenched interests to upgrade. It worked in the markets Google rolled out in...and that was it. These companies stubbornly refused to preempt Googles expansion anywhere. Maybe they called Googles bluff, maybe they were never nimble enough to even th…

Or, just face value, wireless is where the big money is.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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This is why I'm happy to live in a country like France where the government takes part in deploying those infrastructures (by investing money in the deployment). They planned to equip 50% of the territory by 2017 (which was achieved), and 100% by 2022. Same goes for public service, profit-focused corporations can't provide the same quality of service.

In Switzerland there are regions with FFTH. Click on this map to see where FFTH is available:

https://map.geo.admin.ch/?layers=ch.bakom.anschlussart-glasf...

Thanks to this map it was easy to select the right place to move to, and we are currently in the process of moving... to an home equipped with FFTH!

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny though. No offense and I love France, and I love Europe (really do!), but FB's and GOOG's and BABA's of the world seem to be ... elsewhere? inverse correlation?

Do you believe big corps makes the economy stronger?

It's kind of irrelevant what I believe because they do own this space by now, for better or worse.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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post #8

But is wireless seriously an alternative to fiber? I mean with 4k streaming spreading, what will happen on a super bowl night? There is only one shared bandwidth.

You have to keep in mind that with enough antennas (and enough VERY high bandwidth connections between the antennas - but only has to exist on the service provider side, plus the antennas can be pretty close together and still work) there is, in theory, 2^n interference patterns, each of which is localized. Each of which can transmit data. If you use the interference patterns to transmit data instead of the signals d…

  I don't understand why people keep saying that we
  won't be able to satisfy bandwidth demand on wireless.
Is it possible, from an engineering perspective, to build a wireless network with very high bandwidth and generous transfer limits? Absolutely! You just need to increase last mile bandwidth every time you get a new subscriber, so cells never get overloaded.

Is it possible, from a market incentive perspective, to build a wireless ISP business where it's more profitable to increase last mile bandwidth or turn away customers, rather than overload a cell? I'm not sure.

Re: Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised

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This is why I'm happy to live in a country like France where the government takes part in deploying those infrastructures (by investing money in the deployment). They planned to equip 50% of the territory by 2017 (which was achieved), and 100% by 2022. Same goes for public service, profit-focused corporations can't provide the same quality of service.

Funny though. No offense and I love France, and I love Europe (really do!), but FB's and GOOG's and BABA's of the world seem to be ... elsewhere? inverse correlation?

s/elsewhere/nowhere/

Facebook is really just money, and money doesn't have a location. In terms of offices and employments and locations and blah Facebooks is as big as a middling supermarket chain.

Which isn't to say that money is bad or irrelevant or anything. Just that it isn't local in a meaningful way. Facebook is local to wherever that ugly office building is in much the same way that half the world's aircraft are Irish.

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