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YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Post by pas »

dogma1138 wrote: post #258
cyphar wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Polling was not great in the last election Exit polls are different from opinion polls. The surveying techniques are entirely different, and in general exit polls are considered far more accurate than opinion polls -- because you're polling on a concrete question ("who did you vote for a few minutes ago") rather than a less concrete one ("who are you more likely to vote for").

Considering how many people were shamed for voting for trump I’m not entirely sure how accurate those exit polls were as most of them predicted a landslide for HRC before the count started.

Could you show such exit polls?

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Post by rendall »

DanBC wrote: post #273
rendall wrote: post #271

"The latter suit was filed by plaintiff James Damore, an engineer who was fired from the company last year for distributing a memo that suggested men were better suited to certain tech jobs than women. " Excuse me. Hold on. Aaaaararrrrrarrrrgh!!!11!!! Sorry. Had to get that out of my system. It is frustrating to read the same misapprehension over and over and over. Once again: James Damore's memo suggested no such th…

When multiple degree educated people who use language as a tool of their job continue to misunderstand what damore said maybe the problem is with his piss-poor communication, and not their understanding. When very many people who read his document come to the same conclusion maybe, just maybe, that's what he actually said.

I really wish it were that. I really wish I could bring myself to believe it.

Because the alternative is that emotions, driven by political identity, overwhelms the thinking circuits of vast numbers of otherwise intelligent, compassionate and thoughtful people.

So that when a thought-leader such as Gawker calls Damore's memo a 'screed', this exact same characterization is broadcast and repeated over and over and over by anyone who, in some sense, identifies with Gawker.

That's terrifying. I would much rather believe that Damore is a misogynist. It's like everyone keeps repeating "Electrolytes: it's what plants crave." only it's "Damore's anti-diversity screed."

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Post by rendall »

apta wrote: post #332
DanBC wrote: post #273

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When multiple degree educated people who use language as a tool of their job continue to misunderstand what damore said maybe the problem is with his piss-poor communication, and not their understanding. When very many people who read his document come to the same conclusion maybe, just maybe, that's what he actually said.

While I haven't read what he wrote, it may not be directly due to bad communication. I'm strongly inclined to believe that anyone going against the grain on this matter, even with logical and study-backed arguments will not end up in a good position (see e.g. Jordan Peterson).

Jordan Peterson is doing quite alright for himself, especially after the Channel 4 interview.

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Post by therealdrag0 »

DanBC wrote: post #273
rendall wrote: post #271

"The latter suit was filed by plaintiff James Damore, an engineer who was fired from the company last year for distributing a memo that suggested men were better suited to certain tech jobs than women. " Excuse me. Hold on. Aaaaararrrrrarrrrgh!!!11!!! Sorry. Had to get that out of my system. It is frustrating to read the same misapprehension over and over and over. Once again: James Damore's memo suggested no such th…

When multiple degree educated people who use language as a tool of their job continue to misunderstand what damore said maybe the problem is with his piss-poor communication, and not their understanding. When very many people who read his document come to the same conclusion maybe, just maybe, that's what he actually said.

It's not the clearest communication, but can we blame him? He's an engineer on the spectrum. On the other hand it feels like the journalists are reading into it what they want to read because controversy/black-and-white opinions get more clicks.

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Post by astrange »

cargo8 wrote: post #316
whatyoucantsay wrote: post #203

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Only if you believe that uni credentials are synonymous with capability.

Yes and no – Google is (used to be, at least) particularly stringent about requiring a degree moreso than other tech co's

They gave that up at least five years ago. I believe they switched to a system of hiring everyone on earth to stop them from going to Facebook.

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Post by stcredzero »

stale2002 wrote: post #212
stcredzero wrote: post #143

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It turns out that the reason is that screening for basic math competency could be discrimination, because it reduces the chance of hiring for minorities who do less well at math testing. If it genuinely screens for basic math, then there's nothing racist about it. artificially discriminate in the opposite direction and suppress valid criteria that are statistically unfavorable to minorities. Eroding meritocracy is ul…

> If it genuinely screens for basic math, then there's nothing racist about it. Lets say that Google added a test for its engineers, that screened for writing and communication skills. Think, SAT verbal questions or something. And lets say that it just so happens that women are a lot better at SAT verbal questions than men. Would you call that meritocrat, to ask vocabulary questions to software engineers, given that…

Would you call that meritocrat, to ask vocabulary questions to software engineers, given that they know that men will do much worse on them?

My verbal scores happened to be better than my math scores on both the SAT and the GRE, so I'd be all for this! Someone did a study in the 80's that suggested that programmers had to do more interaction involving details than other jobs. Good verbal abilities are going to help out, in my view.

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Post by stcredzero »

r00fus wrote: post #318
stcredzero wrote: post #118

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It used to be that this was just not done. However, the Bay Area and Silicon Valley seem to have adopted much degraded standards. When I was young, a company that did such things would have been marking itself as being comprised of immoral rubes.

Are you sure you aren't pining for a non-existent past? Or is it due to changes in recruiting practices (e.g. using mostly contract "talent partners")

Are you sure you aren't pining for a non-existent past?

It never happened to me until I moved to the Bay Area.

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Post by stcredzero »

ygaf wrote: post #327
stcredzero wrote: post #148

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As far as I can tell, they are still deeply infected by toxic ideologues who will witch-hunt anyone who openly disagrees with their politics. So many of my old classmates did this vehement un-personing of James Damore, even when they had no factual basis for what they were saying. Someday someone should write a play about it. In the meantime, there's "The Drumhead." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjJN08uqt70

People lost their shit over him IRL?

On Facebook. People who had no connection to him were parroting stuff about how bad a software engineer he was.
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