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Flash on Android is shockingly bad

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Re: Flash on Android is shockingly bad

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there are a large number of sites that also demo html5 sucking just as bad. video=FUDcrap. 230+ points for this: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1646430 really? ...when it sent smoke rings out my dual core with 4GB of RAM? i most certainly don't work for adobe, but crap like this is what made me stop reading slashdot. btw: i like arcade fire a lot.

Well all things being equal, wouldn't it be better for the open-source solution to win out in the end?

Re: Flash on Android is shockingly bad

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post #7

there are a large number of sites that also demo html5 sucking just as bad. video=FUDcrap. 230+ points for this: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1646430 really? ...when it sent smoke rings out my dual core with 4GB of RAM? i most certainly don't work for adobe, but crap like this is what made me stop reading slashdot. btw: i like arcade fire a lot.

Well all things being equal, wouldn't it be better for the open-source solution to win out in the end?

html 5 is not a replacement for flash, not even close.

Re: Flash on Android is shockingly bad

#13
post #6

Articles that equate Flash with Flash Video are shockingly bad.

This point needs to be emphasized more. All these articles just deal with video and then come to the conclusion that HTML5 is better than Flash because the video playback is smoother. What no one seems to mention is the much more complex applications that are built in Flash.

There is basically no existing tooling to build complex things in HTML5. A designer I know is working on a massive graphical timeline. It has tons of different layers and all sorts of user interaction points. It's a pretty big undertaking with the tooling that Adobe provides for working with Flash. It would take an order of magnitude more effort to do the same project with HTML5 and there would probably need to be someone involved with significant programming knowledge.

Someday maybe the tooling will exist but at the moment HTML5 just isn't a reasonable replacement for everything that Flash can do.

Re: Flash on Android is shockingly bad

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Well all things being equal, wouldn't it be better for the open-source solution to win out in the end?

html 5 is not a replacement for flash, not even close.

HTML5 doesn’t need to have all capabilities of Flash. The Flash plugin might very well be relegated to Java plugin status (i.e. hardly ever used) while still being a lot more capable than HTML5.

All HTML5 has to capture are the most common use cases Flash is currently used for. Video? Sure deal. Audio? Looks like it will work. Animations? No problem. Infographics with light interactivity (like the stuff you find on nytimes.com)? Will work. Games? Hm, not so great. Audio and video capture? Let’s not talk about that. Oh, and restaurant websites? Shouldn’t have used Flash in the first place.

What’s important is what’s widely used, not what something is theoretically capable of. You are right that HTML5 is far from being able to match all the features of Flash. It doesn’t have to.

Re: Flash on Android is shockingly bad

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Well all things being equal, wouldn't it be better for the open-source solution to win out in the end?

html 5 is not a replacement for flash, not even close.

A cup of noddles is no replacement for a four course dinner.

If HTML5 can do most of the important stuff that flash does, then fine. It already comes with a better supported programming language (javascript), with 1000s of libraries to supports it. It doesn't need to do everything.

And when Adobe releases support for exporting to HTML5 from flash, as they have been rumored to be doing, it will be looking like the end.

Re: Flash on Android is shockingly bad

#17

I've had no problems watching on-demand video content from my local TV station on my Nexus One: http://www.tvnz.co.nz/video I would say the devil is in the implementations not the flash player....

Are you sure it is not using HTML5? tvnz have all their stuff in html5 as well, to work on the iPhone and iPad. They are actually very trend setting in this area.

Re: Flash on Android is shockingly bad

#18
post #7

there are a large number of sites that also demo html5 sucking just as bad. video=FUDcrap. 230+ points for this: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1646430 really? ...when it sent smoke rings out my dual core with 4GB of RAM? i most certainly don't work for adobe, but crap like this is what made me stop reading slashdot. btw: i like arcade fire a lot.

And how long as Flash been in development and had time to mature? You can't compare something that is at version 10 with something brand new.

Re: Flash on Android is shockingly bad

#19
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

html 5 is not a replacement for flash, not even close.

HTML5 doesn’t need to have all capabilities of Flash. The Flash plugin might very well be relegated to Java plugin status (i.e. hardly ever used) while still being a lot more capable than HTML5. All HTML5 has to capture are the most common use cases Flash is currently used for. Video? Sure deal. Audio? Looks like it will work. Animations? No problem. Infographics with light interactivity (like the stuff you find on n…

... and the platform won't survive long-term on free games and audio/video capture alone.
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