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Ask HN: How to stop feeling depressed about whether you will be successful?

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Re: Ask HN: How to stop feeling depressed about whether you will be successful?

#51
I guess you need to define what "successful" is first. Is that a certain amount of money like a million dollars, or is it fame, or a comparison with someone else? Most of the time our definition of success is so vague that you will never feel successful how hard you work or what you achieve.

Secondly, I think it is also priority. What's important to you in life? For me, I think it would be my physical and mental health, my family and other things before money. What are your priorities? Is it your top priority to be successful? Or if your priorities are like mine then where are you with that?

Lastly you can try the "vertical arrow"[1] technique which keeps asking the question "What if it was true?". So as an example:

"I will never be successful"

-> "What if it was true?"

-> "I will never have money"

-> "What if it was true?"

-> "I will never be able to impress the ladies"

-> "What if it was true?"

-> "I'll be alone"

-> "What if it was true?"

-> "Everyone will think of me as total loser", etc.

-> "What if it was true?"

Then you write the rational explanation for each with the cognitive distortions in your thoughts. I'm not an expert but do try it maybe it will help you out. It certainly is very powerful stuff to fix your mood instantly.

[1] http://webedulab.org/ows/wca/beck/vert_atech.htm

Re: Ask HN: How to stop feeling depressed about whether you will be successful?

#52
Lots of good advise here. One further thought I would add based on recent experience is to define.

Failure at my company is running out of money. The mission is one I want to work on for a long time, so it's only failure if we run out of money. I'm not measuring opportunity cost, it's our own capital, and it seems to be worth continuing in a sense that we still have new ideas to try and customers to talk to and learn from, so running out of money is failure and everything else is learning and growing.

Failure in my personal life would just be failing to live up to my commitments to the people that depend on me and that I care about. I choose what my commitments are, and they are entirely internal to me and not comparable to other people, so I have a strong internal locus of control about it and don't worry about comparing myself to others.

Success is nebulous. Failure is pretty clear. If you are fear motivated like I am, the lack of an apartment is more motivating than the fantasy of the mansion. So that's how I have done it lately.

Re: Ask HN: How to stop feeling depressed about whether you will be successful?

#53
Meet a specialist a few times, there is a thin line between feeling and being depressed and it's better to know that you are not sick. Also, telling someone who is not your friend your current state of mind is a great way to make it more clear for you and see what are your problems.

Other than that? From your question the main thing would be to stop thinking about if you will be successful, as it is not a great way to be successful. Like happiness, successfulness is not a state you reach once and for all. You can be happy at work and depressed at home, successful at your gym while still not finding the right person on Tinder.

From this, here are three personal suggestions:

- Do not only focus on work. Being successful with your friends, your family, at sports, at learning (e.g. a new language), also matters. If you are stuck at work, always have a second area where you can progress during your free time. Doing sports and learning a new language are great activities because you cannot be stuck if you actually put effort in it, and then you can share (that matters so much) with buddies you see every week at your gym or online (e.g. on Reddit).

- Write down your core values and ambitions and put them somewhere you can read them every day. I have a few post-its right in front of me right now, written 6 months ago, and they affect my life in a positive way.

- Make sure that even your shittiest days have good moments by design. E.g. I have chosen my flat so that I have to walk through a park twice a day, and even when I am not going well I still see dogs and kids enjoying life on my way from and to work. It motivates me a lot, those few minutes where I don't think about me and my problems but just enjoy the fact that things are already quite good. It makes me inspired and confident which is utterly important to be successful.

Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: How to stop feeling depressed about whether you will be successful?

#55
worrying about success is unmitigated idiocy. everyone gets caught up in this herd mentality of wanting to have the best image on instagram and etc. when i was in college, 90 percent of the other people in the cs program were blatant zuckerberg wanna-bes. they all carried around a silent, bulging arrogance because they thought they were going to be rich. they also felt anxiety about being successful and their response was to double down on computer science. instead of questioning the anxiety itself -- the basics -- they embark on a long, demented journey of trying to become rich and look good on instagram at the cost of everything else in their lives. one day the waves of time will wash over the stories of these peoples lives, leaving behind the rational and impersonal perspective that is only ever widely endorsed in retrospect. and those people who agonize over how successful they look in this time of instagram will be considered idiots. you got bent over by the sentiment of the herd. you allowed your life to be made miserable for no reason. and the ultimate precipice of irony is that this success mentality and social media posturing goes completely against everything that the founders of computer science believed -- their culture.

here is my advice to you. take care of your financial needs. engineer your life so that you are stable financially while maintaining the most modest life-style that is comfortable. in other words, get yourself to a point where the practical aspects of life no longer are a problem. no, i never said it was easy. after that, pursue the tangible aspects of success, or pursue anything you want to, without worry. i say that almost nobody said on their death-bed that they regretted not working harder or that they regretted spending too much time enjoying nature, traveling or spending time with the people they loved. use that fact as a guide-line for choosing what to do.

Re: Ask HN: How to stop feeling depressed about whether you will be successful?

#57

Er ... is that a trick question? Given that over 99.99% of the population cannot possibly be defined as "successful" by most standards (unless "eating and breathing" qualify), why would you make your life even harder with that?

unless "eating and breathing" qualify

There are people who legitimately have trouble with that who would be thrilled if they could pull that off better.

Re: Ask HN: How to stop feeling depressed about whether you will be successful?

#59
There's a lot out there saying to focus on the journey and not the destination.

The best advice a mentor gave me is to realize that the destination is developing the best mindset for any journey.

There is no better feeling than learning, knowing and remembering where your compass is headed and chasing after it without thinking of success, because it is success.

Results, and progress become a product of multiple destinations on the journey. What kind of mindset?

Reframe success to be having the opportunity to try things and learn things every day. If you do the right things, and become the best you can be, success will chase you.

The other is to learn a practice of patience while working hard.

In the meantime, grow. Travel to places that make you uncomfortable to widen your spectrum of human experience - it will not only stretch you apart, it will create space for new growth. The more life experience you have, the better you'll know yourself, and the more well rounded you will become. It is a self-feeding loop of positivity.

Re: Ask HN: How to stop feeling depressed about whether you will be successful?

#60
I think its so awesome that you are not only bringing this up on HN, but you also seem to have a genuine desire to be successful. Its probably for a noble idea, perhaps it is to make your parents happy, perhaps it is to improve other people's lives around you?

I don't know your goals, but I felt something similar myself a few years ago. Looking back, the main cause of my unhappiness was that my idea of 'success' was what the media depicted: nice house, nice car, big philanthropy initiatives, etc and that wasn't normal. It wasn't normal for me to work hungrily towards financial success. When my friends wanted to hang out, I declined because I was 'too busy trying to change the world'.

Eventually, my scope shifted from "changing the world" to helping those around me. I taught a few friends how to code over the years and helped them get jobs. Now we all bought modest houses next to each other and we hangout all the time, volunteering together and teaching more people how to code. I'm much happier now that I have redefined my meaning of success.

I hate mainstream media and the unsustainable consumerism and desires it creates. It makes it harder than ever to find yourself. Get off Facebook and other media for awhile, hangout with your friends and family more, and I hope you successfully redefine what success mean on your terms.

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