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Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Is there seriously some new cold war going on? I read in other media how some new American weapons can fight certain Russian tanks etc, and now I read about Putin bragging about his new weapons. My prediction for the post-Sovjet area was that the US and Russia would just leave each other in peace.

There are elections on March 18 in russia, this is just Putin rallying his base.

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Honestly, I find the American propensity to blame Russia for its actions in Crimea to be of the most blatant hypocrisy one can imagine. Russia has better arguments for defending its naval bases in Crimea from Ukraine hostility, than America has for .. Iraq .. Afghanistan .. Libya .. and so on. Do Americans just not see their own hypocrisy on this issue? Russia didn't invade and destroy entire nation(s) (PLURAL) in or…

> Tell me again: when was the last time Russia established full operational, offensive bases within 30 km's of the borders of the USA with any of its clients and their military? When was the last time the USA threatened Canada and Mexico with annihilation? Did terrorists based in the Ukraine fly hijacked airplanes into Moscow's skyscrapers? Because that's why the USA invaded Afghanistan. Iraq however was unjustified.…

> Iraq however was unjustified. The difference is that more than half of America admits it and thus freely elected a new President from a different party.

Bush was reelected after the Iraq War by a larger margin than before, serving out his full two terms.

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Honestly, I find the American propensity to blame Russia for its actions in Crimea to be of the most blatant hypocrisy one can imagine. Russia has better arguments for defending its naval bases in Crimea from Ukraine hostility, than America has for .. Iraq .. Afghanistan .. Libya .. and so on. Do Americans just not see their own hypocrisy on this issue? Russia didn't invade and destroy entire nation(s) (PLURAL) in or…

I also suspect the US supported Neo-NAZIs in the Ukraine. Both Congress and the Obama Administration approved this, but only when Trump got elected and hurt the feelings of women, LGBT and various minorities did Americans get angry: * https://www.stpete4peace.org/Ukraine * https://www.thenation.com/article/congress-has-removed-a-ban... The problems in mass shootings is a problem, but no one ever wants to ban military…

Ukraine paid the largest price in war against Nazi. Can you explain your theory about _Neo_Nazi in Ukraine?

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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By the same token, if the Ukraine had been more paranoid about Russian intentions, they might not have been invaded by Russia yet again. It’s not just the US, Poland has no interest in becoming a Russian satellite again. We can try to equivocate, but after WWII Russia took over half of Europe, and the US didn’t. Would Russia have rebuilt Japan and let it go? The history of (East) Germany suggests an answer.

I will stay away from Ukraine as an example because I am unable to judge if and to what extend the West tried to influence the situation there and if Russia's actions where at least partially reactions.

USA deployed troops in Kyїv (Kiev) and started war against Ukrainians at Donbass, so Russian Federation invaded Ukraine to protect Ukrainians from USA troops. Go to Russian news site and read The Truth. J

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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I also suspect the US supported Neo-NAZIs in the Ukraine. Both Congress and the Obama Administration approved this, but only when Trump got elected and hurt the feelings of women, LGBT and various minorities did Americans get angry: * https://www.stpete4peace.org/Ukraine * https://www.thenation.com/article/congress-has-removed-a-ban... The problems in mass shootings is a problem, but no one ever wants to ban military…

Ukraine paid the largest price in war against Nazi. Can you explain your theory about _Neo_Nazi in Ukraine?

Didn't you see the links to articles with a lot more information and from reputable journalists in the post? Why are you even asking me? Those articles will give you a lot more info. Go ask the journalists who covered the situation for this "theory about _Neo_Nazi in Ukraine". Here are more articles from some established sources:

* https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11...

* And another one: https://original.antiwar.com/chris_ernesto/2015/01/28/us-ann...

* And another one: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/the-neo-nazi-q...

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Don't you think rather than an invisible, evil hand, it's all just a big ouhpsi (see Hanlon's razor: "Never assume/attribute the intention to do evil that which is adequately explained by stupidity.") or just deterrence theory-based? ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deterrence_theory )

No, I truly think we are beyond that at this point: it is pure, profit-driven, hatred-based evil. In fact I am positive that the culture of war-mongering is SO entrenched that it has reached a pitch akin to religious fervor among America's (and Russias) elite, who utterly worship death, its instruments, and its application in driving us all into fear. The reason I think that is because there is so much GOOD technolog…

Profit-driven and hatred-based are almost opposite things. To be profit driven is to be supremely rational, and only requires looking out for oneself. To be hatred-based is to be supremely emotional, and hatred is rarely selfish.

I also object to the sentence "the people are cowards and cannot face up to the facts of their own complicity in the death cult". That is hyperbole and grand-standing all around.

Yet, I am sad to disagree with you. Because it is definitely an interesting question why we spend so much on military. Specifically, it is interesting how this relates to industries that benefit from this spending. Though it is also quite relevant to study popular sentiment towards this spending. However, I do not think one should go to conspiracy level explanations here. If one were to go there, it would take heaps and heaps of evidence.

To convince me, and perhaps the rest of the world, start by making smaller claims that are easily proven. Then you can build up to stronger claims that aren't proven but are at least corroborated by evidence.

Or you might just be an astroturfing russian-payed troll to make us distrust government, but I'd like to think otherwise.

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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I wish we could have continued with much better relations with Russia, instead of seeing polarization escalating and going from the possibility of humanity becoming extinct within 1 hour into the possibility of becoming extinct within 20 minutes. At some point some mad person is likely going to push the button, all just because we are programmed to compete and win by all means with help of misguided philosophies.

Even with an all out nuclear war, humanity would not go extinct. In fact, the United States as a government and people would survive just with severe economic and human losses.

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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I will stay away from Ukraine as an example because I am unable to judge if and to what extend the West tried to influence the situation there and if Russia's actions where at least partially reactions.

USA deployed troops in Kyїv (Kiev) and started war against Ukrainians at Donbass, so Russian Federation invaded Ukraine to protect Ukrainians from USA troops. Go to Russian news site and read The Truth. J

That sounds rather implausible, too. I have some weak memories of - at least officially - training missions or something along that line but I can not even tell when this was in relation to other events.

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Is there seriously some new cold war going on? I read in other media how some new American weapons can fight certain Russian tanks etc, and now I read about Putin bragging about his new weapons. My prediction for the post-Sovjet area was that the US and Russia would just leave each other in peace.

So long as Russia has territory it doesn't control inside what it views to be its natural geological boundaries, there will always be Russian aggression. Russia very much wants to "never get involved in a land war in Asia." To that end, it wants a solid mountain boundary from the Carpathians to the Tien Shan, and the Gobi desert from there to the Pacific. Until then, you can expect continued encroachments on Ukraine,…

How does Ukraine ensure there will not be a war in asia? Ukraine is firmly the border between Russia and Europe. Due to the black sea, Ukraine means nothing for the border between Asia and Russia. Similarly the Russian border already runs through the Caucuses. That border is already secured by that mountain range.

Meanwhile, to get decent natural borders around Kazakhstan you need to either see that expanse as a natural border, or take over the entirety of Khazakstan.

Further east than that, and Russia's borders again seem to follow natural obstacles.

Re: Putin's Hypersonic Weapon Appears to Be a Modified Iskander Ballistic Missile

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Russias ruling elite need external threats to keep their reign secure, otherwise russians would start looking inwards rather than outwards.

The same is true of Americas' ruling elite, yo. Stop blaming Russia - start blaming Lockheed Martin ($29.4 billion), Boeing ($14.6 billion), Raytheon ($12.3 billion), General Dynamics ($11.8 billion), Northrup Grumman ($9.5 billion), and so on .. ($number in brackets represents value of war-related contracts awarded and currently under obligation...) These companies need the Russian threat to justify their existence.

You think Russia is bad? Whatabout America [1]?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

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