Ask HN: What stack would you use to build a CRUD web app in 2018? • Hacker News Board

Re: Ask HN: What stack would you use to build a CRUD web app in 2018?

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Post by duncan-donuts » Sat, Mar 03, 2018, 12:54 PM UTC

skavanagh wrote: post #25

If the application is going to be around longer than 5 years, roll your own MVC or ROA pattern in Java. Write your own DAO and database calls (stay away from ORMs). Keep 3rd party library use down to a minimum, limiting your vulnerability exposure and rewrites due to upgrades.

As a developer who has worked on code bases that were home rolled, and built with popular frameworks (spring, rails). The worst code bases I've ever worked on were home rolled. Obviously that's only my experience, but I have a hard time agreeing with this advice.

Re: Ask HN: What stack would you use to build a CRUD web app in 2018?

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Post by dustingetz » Sat, Mar 03, 2018, 12:56 PM UTC

meredydd wrote: post #17

Twenty years ago, a simple CRUD app would have been written in Visual Basic or Delphi. It would have needed one programming language, and one framework. The tool support would be good: everything would talk to everything else. Heck, you'd even have an IDE with autocomplete! Today, a typical web app requires no fewer than five different languages (JS, HTML, CSS, Python/Ruby/whatever on the server, SQL). And that's bef…

I think this is at a tipping point and will be solved soon (for better or worse) because network effects. Technology at each layer consolidates once the next layer is identified, which I think is functional programming everywhere and thus anticipate a consolidation is already underway.

Re: Ask HN: What stack would you use to build a CRUD web app in 2018?

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Post by Ruud-v-A » Sat, Mar 03, 2018, 12:57 PM UTC

You should not write a CRUD app in 2018. Update and delete are remnants from the times where memory and disk were expensive, and update in place was a necessity. This is no longer the case. Apart from a few very specialised use cases, there is no need any more for update or delete. Record new facts and don’t destroy the older ones.

Re: Ask HN: What stack would you use to build a CRUD web app in 2018?

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Post by fefb » Sat, Mar 03, 2018, 12:58 PM UTC

For the APP I 'd use ReactJS

For the compute back-end I'd use Serverless Lambda or Google Functions, nodejs.

For the database I' d use Firestore or datastore

For the communication between client and back, I'd use GraphQL.

Re: Ask HN: What stack would you use to build a CRUD web app in 2018?

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Post by madrafi » Sat, Mar 03, 2018, 12:59 PM UTC

Golang + VueJS will do a great Job , otherwise you can get up and running within an hour with Express,Mongo and Handlebars or EJS .

Re: Ask HN: What stack would you use to build a CRUD web app in 2018?

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Post by blattimwind » Sat, Mar 03, 2018, 1:00 PM UTC

Django Admin. Or even Drupal, for all its brokenness, bloat, slowness and security problems, you can build fairly decent data entry and retrieval apps with it without writing a single line of code.

Re: Ask HN: What stack would you use to build a CRUD web app in 2018?

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Post by arenaninja » Sat, Mar 03, 2018, 1:01 PM UTC

Funny, I was writing something to manage orders for a side business that looks promising and I started building it with Node+Express. It took some hours (3-4) but then I realized I haven't deployed a Node application to production and I'm not even sure how to keep the process alive forever, how updates would work, etc.

I re-wrote it last night in the LAMP stack in about 30 minutes. So I would write a CRUD app in PHP in 2018, I would suggest you do too tbh; PHP7 is a joy to work with. For backend framework I'm using https://www.slimframework.com/

Re: Ask HN: What stack would you use to build a CRUD web app in 2018?

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Post by buremba » Sat, Mar 03, 2018, 1:01 PM UTC

Don't look too far, Django is still the most flexible and stable solution (If you're familiar with Python) for CRUD unless you need a single page application (SPA).

Re: Ask HN: What stack would you use to build a CRUD web app in 2018?

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Post by dochtman » Sat, Mar 03, 2018, 1:02 PM UTC

This is probably more hopeful/an ambitious end goal than anything sane people would really do today, but I would try to write a functional reactive isomorphic Rust app.

Re: Ask HN: What stack would you use to build a CRUD web app in 2018?

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Post by blattimwind » Sat, Mar 03, 2018, 1:07 PM UTC

Ruud-v-A wrote: post #43

You should not write a CRUD app in 2018. Update and delete are remnants from the times where memory and disk were expensive, and update in place was a necessity. This is no longer the case. Apart from a few very specialised use cases, there is no need any more for update or delete. Record new facts and don’t destroy the older ones.

Still counts as CRUD. If it helps you sleep at night, consider the "RUD" as "replace, update or delete things from the default-visible set".