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China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

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Re: China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

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“When we hang the capitalists they will sell us the rope we use.” Because they have a fiduciary duty to, obviously.

Quoting Stalin? Classy. Have any good Hitler quotes you want to share while you're at it?

Just because Stalin was a monster doesn't mean that quote is bad.

Re: China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

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This is rather biased against China. OK, so Chinese authorities have arrested citizens who have posted "illegal" material. I don't see that they've grabbed citizens of other countries off the streets, which the US and Israel have done. Or pressed other countries to extradite their citizens based on criminal allegations, which the US commonly does. And about takedown requests to Google etc. MPAA and other "rights hold…

"MPAA and other "rights holders" do this frequently." You don't have a free speech right to post the copyrighted material of others, just sayin'.

Well, I consider that I do, as fair non-commercial use. Also to buy and sell drugs without getting hassled. But anyway, I'm not saying that I approve of what China does.

Re: China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

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Australia is deeply involved in this. China are actively trying to control conversation with Chinese students and immigrants here. The govt has literally bought all Chinese language press and semi regularly run full page 'articles' in the major press. They have been caught out several time pressuring universities and placing disruptive people in lectures that discuss areas they don't want. I believed agents recently…

See: https://www.ft.com/content/7ac14e70-ded8-11e7-a8a4-0a1e63a52...

Non-paywalled: http://archive.is/Rq7FP

Re: China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

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Australia is deeply involved in this. China are actively trying to control conversation with Chinese students and immigrants here. The govt has literally bought all Chinese language press and semi regularly run full page 'articles' in the major press. They have been caught out several time pressuring universities and placing disruptive people in lectures that discuss areas they don't want. I believed agents recently…

When you say Australia is involved in this, do you mean the Australian govt is involved or just that China is doing this on Australian soil?

I don't understand from your comment whether you're referring to the Australian govt or the Chinese government as having bought all the press. And who "they" are when referring to disrupting lectures.

Re: China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

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Gui Minhai, citizen of Sweden, was kidnapped in Thailand and secretly imprisoned in China.

citation please

Literally the first Google search result has it all laid out - well cited, at that.

I would hope that you avail yourself of this wonderful resource in the future, saving time both for yourself and for others.

Re: China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

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Facebook suspended Mr. Guo’s account. In a statement, the company said the account published the personal information of others without their consent, which violated the platform’s policies. Zuckerberg wants to be in China in such a bad way. He's learned Mandarin, plays up his family connections (via his wife's family), and puts on the charm when visiting China. He's created relationships with officials at every leve…

The way Zuckerberg has gone about it, I think he is awkwardly a sinophile, he isn't doing those things just to (or even primarily to) get Facebook into China.

Do you mean an Sinophile or do you mean he has a Chinese fetish. They are different things. One may be benign, where the other may mean there could be an issue.

Re: China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“When we hang the capitalists they will sell us the rope we use.” Because they have a fiduciary duty to, obviously.

Quoting Stalin? Classy. Have any good Hitler quotes you want to share while you're at it?

Does he have any relevant to the topic in the first place?

Re: China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

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When profits come up against morality, profits will win every time. How do you think we even got to this situation in the first place?

Not just profits. Also influence. Each company wanted to spread it's products globally. Google tried this. But government kept blocking them causing slow internet. The miserable experience plus targeted hacking destroyed their morale for staying in.

Interestingly for Google, it didn't add up to much in terms of missing out. Much like Russia and Yandex, the odds were slim that Google was going to beat out Baidu on their own turf for various reasons. In the case of Baidu, they ended up being a non-threat outside of China. As China gets a lot more aggressive on censorship and content control in the coming years, Baidu's chances of truly going global will dwindle to zero. Lately Baidu has been looking at search as their past, because they know they've lost and hit a wall there in terms of any global search ambition, so they're burning their resources on trying to play in other categories vs Alibaba and Tencent.

Meanwhile since Google was pushed out of China, they have become a near trillion dollar juggernaut. Since fiscal 2009, Google has grown from $23b to $109b in sales. They're about nine to ten times the size of Baidu and growing as fast. That's the cost of being stuck inside of China, while Google is stuck outside of China.

Re: China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

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The way Zuckerberg has gone about it, I think he is awkwardly a sinophile, he isn't doing those things just to (or even primarily to) get Facebook into China.

Do you mean an Sinophile or do you mean he has a Chinese fetish. They are different things. One may be benign, where the other may mean there could be an issue.

"Sinophile" is a pretty standard word with no perverted fetish meaning, see wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinophile

> A Sinophile or a Chinophile is a person who demonstrates a strong interest and love for Chinese culture or its people.[1] It is also commonly used to describe those knowledgeable of Chinese history and culture (such as scholars and students), non-native Chinese language speakers, pro-Chinese politicians, and people perceived as having a strong interest in any of the above.

That the combining form -phile is also used for perverted things doesn't negate its rather benign meaning.

Re: China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“When we hang the capitalists they will sell us the rope we use.” Because they have a fiduciary duty to, obviously.

Quoting Stalin? Classy. Have any good Hitler quotes you want to share while you're at it?

Here's one: "The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it."
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