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China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

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Re: China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

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>>1st, 2nd, and 4th amendments I have been befuddled by the behavior of young people on these axis for the last 10 years. This observation you’ve made is super seductive... but I think the more likely reason we are in this mess is that the younger gens are foundationally devoid of skepticism. I applaud your creativity though. It definitely could be a contributing factor.

The grandparent is probably just mocking satire. I don't think any American, not even the most cartoonish millennial activists, wants to repeal the 4th amendment.

I don't think we need to repeal anything now that the government just routinely ignores the Constitution when it conflicts with what they want to do.

Re: China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

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When profits come up against morality, profits will win every time. How do you think we even got to this situation in the first place?

This is not true. There are a bunch of businesses that use there moral positions as advertising to great effect. This is why Apple doesn't sell away your data, why every city is filled with local and organic restaurants, etc. The market does select for moral positions, you just might not like those positions.

The morality and profits in your example are complementary, not in opposition to each other.

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Facebook suspended Mr. Guo’s account. In a statement, the company said the account published the personal information of others without their consent, which violated the platform’s policies. A spokeswoman declined to comment on whether Beijing’s complaints played a role.

Chinese authorities have also successfully persuaded Google to pull down content that had been available around the globe.

How do they use those standing desks without a spine?

Re: China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

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This is rather biased against China. OK, so Chinese authorities have arrested citizens who have posted "illegal" material. I don't see that they've grabbed citizens of other countries off the streets, which the US and Israel have done. Or pressed other countries to extradite their citizens based on criminal allegations, which the US commonly does. And about takedown requests to Google etc. MPAA and other "rights hold…

Gui Minhai, citizen of Sweden, was kidnapped in Thailand and secretly imprisoned in China.

Yes, I see that he was kidnapped from Thailand in 2015, and was just arrested again, this time in China.[0] And in 2015, four other Causeway Bay Books staff were arrested, in Hong Kong and mainland China. So I stand corrected.

0) https://thediplomat.com/2018/02/the-strange-and-sad-case-of-...

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I think it's too late. Bill Clinton sold them enough tech in the 90s in exchange for defense contractor kickbacks that now China has passed the US in military technology. China has too much influence and money on too many US campuses and has students demanding repeal of the 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendments, which will help continue the growth of Chinese power. Xi Jinping is explicit in his goal to bring democracy to an e…

> now China has passed the US in military technology China hasn't come close to passing the US in military technology in fact. Technologically they're behind the US in: destroyers, submarines, helicopters, drones, laser weapons, satellites, integrated command systems, aircraft carriers, ICBMs and general nuclear weapon technology, tanks, bombers, jet fighters. In several of these categories, China is extremely far be…

I believe this war will be won economically/politically/socially, not militarily, and China holds most of the cards in those areas if you ask me.

EDIT: Hey serial downvoter, do you realize you've missed a few?

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post #25

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When profits come up against morality, profits will win every time. How do you think we even got to this situation in the first place?

This is not true. There are a bunch of businesses that use there moral positions as advertising to great effect. This is why Apple doesn't sell away your data, why every city is filled with local and organic restaurants, etc. The market does select for moral positions, you just might not like those positions.

Didn't they just move their Chinese icloud and keys to mainland China? https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/28/17055088/apple-chinese-ic...

Re: China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

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Facebook suspended Mr. Guo’s account. In a statement, the company said the account published the personal information of others without their consent, which violated the platform’s policies. Zuckerberg wants to be in China in such a bad way. He's learned Mandarin, plays up his family connections (via his wife's family), and puts on the charm when visiting China. He's created relationships with officials at every leve…

The way Zuckerberg has gone about it, I think he is awkwardly a sinophile, he isn't doing those things just to (or even primarily to) get Facebook into China.

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Whilst I think there's some merit in the recent increase in China articles here. The tone of this one seems sensational. What I find most intriguing about discovering China is what it says about me and the so-called West. China's influence is growing you say? My first reaction is concern, but my second is humility, as if looking in a mirror. I can't help but feel a little like this article immaturely criticises a top…

I believe the article is sensationalist precisely because the target audience would generally take western power for granted. It takes strong words to really get across the message that China isn't playing around and has the power to back their ambitions.

Re: China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

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Gui Minhai, citizen of Sweden, was kidnapped in Thailand and secretly imprisoned in China.

citation please

That one is easy:

https://www.google.com/search?q=swedish+citizen+china&source...

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