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China is trying to police what people are saying about it around the world

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> “I personally am not sure what the solution is for these companies,” said Mr. Rosenzweig. “I don’t see a good answer because the Chinese government is really putting them between a rock and a hard place.”

I don't think this is that hard of a decision, is it? Just say no and cut ties with efforts for China as a market. Any profits there are not worth jeopardizing all of the privacy and precedents that are being slowly pushed.

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> “I personally am not sure what the solution is for these companies,” said Mr. Rosenzweig. “I don’t see a good answer because the Chinese government is really putting them between a rock and a hard place.” I don't think this is that hard of a decision, is it? Just say no and cut ties with efforts for China as a market. Any profits there are not worth jeopardizing all of the privacy and precedents that are being slow…

I think it's too late. Bill Clinton sold them enough tech in the 90s in exchange for defense contractor kickbacks that now China has passed the US in military technology. China has too much influence and money on too many US campuses and has students demanding repeal of the 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendments, which will help continue the growth of Chinese power. Xi Jinping is explicit in his goal to bring democracy to an end globally, and he now has indirect control of Hollywood to complete this agenda. The big internet controlling companies act like private versions of the Chinese government, and will increasingly be instruments of the Xi Jinping or else be destroyed by richer Chinese competitors. I hope I'm wrong about the boot being already planted on the face of humanity forever.

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> “I personally am not sure what the solution is for these companies,” said Mr. Rosenzweig. “I don’t see a good answer because the Chinese government is really putting them between a rock and a hard place.” I don't think this is that hard of a decision, is it? Just say no and cut ties with efforts for China as a market. Any profits there are not worth jeopardizing all of the privacy and precedents that are being slow…

“When we hang the capitalists they will sell us the rope we use.”

Because they have a fiduciary duty to, obviously.

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Australia is deeply involved in this. China are actively trying to control conversation with Chinese students and immigrants here. The govt has literally bought all Chinese language press and semi regularly run full page 'articles' in the major press. They have been caught out several time pressuring universities and placing disruptive people in lectures that discuss areas they don't want. I believed agents recently were found to have broken into lectures houses.

Its a delicate situation and hopefully the government will not be afraid to deal with it, whilst not turning it into a xenophobic support point.

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> “I personally am not sure what the solution is for these companies,” said Mr. Rosenzweig. “I don’t see a good answer because the Chinese government is really putting them between a rock and a hard place.” I don't think this is that hard of a decision, is it? Just say no and cut ties with efforts for China as a market. Any profits there are not worth jeopardizing all of the privacy and precedents that are being slow…

When profits come up against morality, profits will win every time. How do you think we even got to this situation in the first place?

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> “I personally am not sure what the solution is for these companies,” said Mr. Rosenzweig. “I don’t see a good answer because the Chinese government is really putting them between a rock and a hard place.” I don't think this is that hard of a decision, is it? Just say no and cut ties with efforts for China as a market. Any profits there are not worth jeopardizing all of the privacy and precedents that are being slow…

When profits come up against morality, profits will win every time. How do you think we even got to this situation in the first place?

Not just profits. Also influence. Each company wanted to spread it's products globally. Google tried this. But government kept blocking them causing slow internet. The miserable experience plus targeted hacking destroyed their morale for staying in.

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> “I personally am not sure what the solution is for these companies,” said Mr. Rosenzweig. “I don’t see a good answer because the Chinese government is really putting them between a rock and a hard place.” I don't think this is that hard of a decision, is it? Just say no and cut ties with efforts for China as a market. Any profits there are not worth jeopardizing all of the privacy and precedents that are being slow…

I think it's too late. Bill Clinton sold them enough tech in the 90s in exchange for defense contractor kickbacks that now China has passed the US in military technology. China has too much influence and money on too many US campuses and has students demanding repeal of the 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendments, which will help continue the growth of Chinese power. Xi Jinping is explicit in his goal to bring democracy to an e…

>>1st, 2nd, and 4th amendments

I have been befuddled by the behavior of young people on these axis for the last 10 years. This observation you’ve made is super seductive... but I think the more likely reason we are in this mess is that the younger gens are foundationally devoid of skepticism.

I applaud your creativity though. It definitely could be a contributing factor.

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I think it's too late. Bill Clinton sold them enough tech in the 90s in exchange for defense contractor kickbacks that now China has passed the US in military technology. China has too much influence and money on too many US campuses and has students demanding repeal of the 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendments, which will help continue the growth of Chinese power. Xi Jinping is explicit in his goal to bring democracy to an e…

>>1st, 2nd, and 4th amendments I have been befuddled by the behavior of young people on these axis for the last 10 years. This observation you’ve made is super seductive... but I think the more likely reason we are in this mess is that the younger gens are foundationally devoid of skepticism. I applaud your creativity though. It definitely could be a contributing factor.

The grandparent is probably just mocking satire. I don't think any American, not even the most cartoonish millennial activists, wants to repeal the 4th amendment.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>1st, 2nd, and 4th amendments I have been befuddled by the behavior of young people on these axis for the last 10 years. This observation you’ve made is super seductive... but I think the more likely reason we are in this mess is that the younger gens are foundationally devoid of skepticism. I applaud your creativity though. It definitely could be a contributing factor.

The grandparent is probably just mocking satire. I don't think any American, not even the most cartoonish millennial activists, wants to repeal the 4th amendment.

The gun debate over the last few weeks makes me think otherwise.

Edit: I don't think they want to repeal it. I think they want to ignore it. In fact- I don't think anyone actually wants to go through the hassle of repeal for any of the previously mentioned amendments, which would be the right approach. They just want some magical executive order that usurps the constitution.

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