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Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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This one has been flagged out also. It’s beginning to look like HN really doesn’t like this story, since it’s the third time in the last 24 hours they’ve blown it off the front page.

Personally I wanted to discuss the article yesterday, but it was moved off the front-page too fast despite high interest. It is very common on HN for articles that does not agree with or points out problems in the prevailing viewpoint to be blown off the front page. I think this is emblematic of how tyrannical some of the people subscribing to the prevailing Silicon Valley viewpoint are.

When I searched "google", this story didn't even show up in the first page of "popular". I had to sort by date to even find it.

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What about if you are white working-class man? Is a middle-class black woman less privileged than a white working-class man? What about short versus tall people? What about beautiful versus ugly people? The halo effect is well-known. The whole thing is just absurd and dehumanising.

You're referring to the concept of "intersectionality" which is very well accepted in the literature etc.

Sure but I rarely hear people talk about class which isn't so visible as other things. You can be a black woman born to professors or a working class white man born to garage store attendants.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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The refrain I hear is that you can do 20% projects, but you have to do it on top of your 100% project, which isn't contradicted by what you say.

So that refrain seems to imply the 20% project must be done as additional work after spending 40 hours a week on the 100% project. My point was you actually can spend roughly 32 hours a week on your main project, if you are performing well, and then roughly 8 hours a week on your 20% project, and still get high performance ratings.

But do managers adjust their expectations of your main project to 0.8 of expected output?

Sure if you can get everything expected of you done in 32 hours, you can spend the remaining 8 on something else.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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This one has been flagged out also. It’s beginning to look like HN really doesn’t like this story, since it’s the third time in the last 24 hours they’ve blown it off the front page.

Personally I wanted to discuss the article yesterday, but it was moved off the front-page too fast despite high interest. It is very common on HN for articles that does not agree with or points out problems in the prevailing viewpoint to be blown off the front page. I think this is emblematic of how tyrannical some of the people subscribing to the prevailing Silicon Valley viewpoint are.

Issues that can't be discussed can't be solved, they only grow larger.

I once would have thought that this would have been somewhat obvious.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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There's a time dependency in some of this. What "diversity" is, even from a purely left-wing perspective, has changed a lot within my lifetime. I was born in 1978, and when I was growing up, the left-wing diversity perspective focused on "race blindness", MLK's dream about his children being measured by the quality of their character and not the color of their skin, and that sort of thing. Now... well... I know a lot…

There's a very easy answer to your question. It's the understanding that bias/implicit bias exists and needs to be overcome. The MLK quote is such a red herring. It's a nice statement, but what one guy said 50 years ago doesn't define a culture or society.

This "You were born into implicit bias/racism" shtick sounds an awful lot like religion's "You were born into original sin" shtick. The fix is almost identical too: give us money, attention, and spread the word, or else you're extra double-plus ungood and we'll shame you harder.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Personally I wanted to discuss the article yesterday, but it was moved off the front-page too fast despite high interest. It is very common on HN for articles that does not agree with or points out problems in the prevailing viewpoint to be blown off the front page. I think this is emblematic of how tyrannical some of the people subscribing to the prevailing Silicon Valley viewpoint are.

When I searched "google", this story didn't even show up in the first page of "popular". I had to sort by date to even find it.

At this point I expect actions like this from people holding the prevailing viewpoints in Silicon Valley whenever someone with a different viewpoint dare speak.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Affirmative action is definitely not illegal, regardless of whether it should or shouldn’t be.

Affirmative action literally means the opposite of what you think it means. It means that there will be efforts taken to ensure no discrimination in hiring on the basis of race, sex, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11246 etc

How do you know what he thinks it means?

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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There's a very easy answer to your question. It's the understanding that bias/implicit bias exists and needs to be overcome. The MLK quote is such a red herring. It's a nice statement, but what one guy said 50 years ago doesn't define a culture or society.

This "You were born into implicit bias/racism" shtick sounds an awful lot like religion's "You were born into original sin" shtick. The fix is almost identical too: give us money, attention, and spread the word, or else you're extra double-plus ungood and we'll shame you harder.

So you deny that implicit bias exists? Implicit bias has shown to affect areas as dry as medicine to scientific research, yet racial bias is somehow made up?

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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This "You were born into implicit bias/racism" shtick sounds an awful lot like religion's "You were born into original sin" shtick. The fix is almost identical too: give us money, attention, and spread the word, or else you're extra double-plus ungood and we'll shame you harder.

So you deny that implicit bias exists? Implicit bias has shown to affect areas as dry as medicine to scientific research, yet racial bias is somehow made up?

My objection, at least, is that I think for both of jerf's eras, the intended end state is still a race-blind society. And it seems perverse to map out a course to that goal that explicitly requires us to be conscious of race.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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When I searched "google", this story didn't even show up in the first page of "popular". I had to sort by date to even find it.

At this point I expect actions like this from people holding the prevailing viewpoints in Silicon Valley whenever someone with a different viewpoint dare speak.

Do you know of an uncensored forum that is better for discussing these issues? Is Slashdot better?
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