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Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by 0xfeba »

malkuth23 wrote: post #258
0xfeba wrote: post #182

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I don't understand how this didn't raise red flags from legal/HR. From the article: > In a statement, Google said [...] it has a "clear policy to hire candidates based on their merit, not their identity. At the same time, we unapologetically try to find a diverse pool of qualified candidates for open roles[...]" You can't have it both ways. You're either based solely on merit, or on merit and how non-male and non-whi…

Trying to find a diverse pool is fine. You can recruit at historically black colleges, you can offer benefits like family leave or daycare that might appeal statistically more to women. You can try to show that your organization is not racist and will be welcoming to people of color. It is fine to try and attract a diverse group of applicants, but after they apply, the basis of hiring should be who is qualified.

Yes, I agree. Perhaps I was not clear that this is what I meant.

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Post by 0xfeba »

eloisant wrote: post #285
0xfeba wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how this didn't raise red flags from legal/HR. From the article: > In a statement, Google said [...] it has a "clear policy to hire candidates based on their merit, not their identity. At the same time, we unapologetically try to find a diverse pool of qualified candidates for open roles[...]" You can't have it both ways. You're either based solely on merit, or on merit and how non-male and non-whi…

> You can't have it both ways. You're either based solely on merit, or on merit and how non-male and non-white they are. Which is discrimination. Actually yes, you can. There are 2 steps in recruiting: 1. Find people who want to apply 2. Have them go through a hiring process to select which one you make an offer You can seek diversity in step 1 and be completely merit-based on step 2. If your step 1. is mostly ask yo…

Yes -- I missed the "pool of candidates" part. I was assuming based on their defensive posture they were referring to the hiring manager dropping resumes of otherwise qualified individuals.

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Post by ergo14 »

shimon wrote: post #123
RandomCSGeek wrote: post #89

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There are two ways to nullify a problem. 1. Solve it 2. Create another problem in equal magnitude and opposite direction. Unfortunately, most countries/organisations seem to prefer second one, because it's easier and shows effect earlier, although over long period of time, it's going to be the worse one.

Do you believe it feasible for Google, or even a theoretical consortium of powerful companies like Google, to solve the gender, race, and socioeconomic inequalities in access to education and other resources that enable someone to work at such companies? If yes, how? If no, do you think it's better for them to attempt to compensate in a way that is feasible, or to do nothing?

I know in my country when my city was founded, the industrial moguls invested and created schools to improve their workforce education (and thats for manufacture workers). I think that would be the right direction to take.

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Post by KKKKkkkk1 »

throwaway1957 wrote: post #223

Throwaway for obvious reasons. I was once asked to do recruiting at a university. They told me to only collect the resumes of Females, Blacks, and Hispanics. And that they would not consider any other genders/races for the positions. This was for the BOLD program: https://www.google.com/about/careers/students/bold.html . Talking around with my co-workers, we found Google has multiple programs like this. Another is a…

How do you know if a candidate is LGBTQ? Do you just ask them?

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Post by jameskegel »

As with all extremes, the pendulum must return to its path, and soon we will see a return to a meritocratic approach. Approaching the lack of diversity in this industry from a hiring perspective is too late stage and short sighted- the change should happen with education during childhood and teen years in areas where there are concentrations of historically uninterested parties that are uninterested due to a lack of mentorship availability.

I want to see after school programs being arranged, charter schools being built, stipends for families who encourage this field of study, fair pay for the teachers who are selected to offer to service to these areas, extracurricular activities that focus on tech and following through with those that show any modicum of interest potential.

The change begins at home, and it has nothing to do with race, it has to do with opportunity to learn and the freedom to abstract your home life problems and concerns long enough to make use of the education without the preoccupation of where the next meal is or where you’ll sleep.

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Post by JustAnotherPat »

jerf wrote: post #295
daxorid wrote: post #233

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Given this (correct) understanding of what "diversity" really means in American culture, why do you think it is that Asian-Americans overwhelmingly vote for pro-diversity policies?

There's a time dependency in some of this. What "diversity" is, even from a purely left-wing perspective, has changed a lot within my lifetime. I was born in 1978, and when I was growing up, the left-wing diversity perspective focused on "race blindness", MLK's dream about his children being measured by the quality of their character and not the color of their skin, and that sort of thing. Now... well... I know a lot…

There's a very easy answer to your question. It's the understanding that bias/implicit bias exists and needs to be overcome.

The MLK quote is such a red herring. It's a nice statement, but what one guy said 50 years ago doesn't define a culture or society.

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Post by xuhu »

millzlane wrote: post #250
eeZah7Ux wrote: post #218

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Management is responsible for the environment that is created in a company. Please don't blame employees that are complaining about stressful working environments - their plate is already full.

There is no victim. This isn't chattel slavery. OP can say no to shitty culture and find another job. Take some of that good money save up a 6 month emergency fund and GTFO. There is no reason you should be going into work everday with a curdled stomach.

There is no victim. This isn't chattel slavery. Women can say no to shitty culture and find another job. Take some of that good money save up a 6 month emergency fund and GTFO. There is no reason you should be going into work everday with a curdled stomach.

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Post by throwaway1584 »

bitL wrote: post #124
xxcode wrote: post #85

I work at Google. It is the most unpleasant place to work, largely because work evaluation is almost 80% politics (might be 100%). I am a senior engineer. You get stuck here because the pay you better than elsewhere, but I think it is a very bad and very sad place to work. My stomach curdles every morning before going to work and I wonder if it is worth it. Many of my peers talk in the same vein. Please consider not…

Consider deleting this post. You can be easily doxxed from your HN post history; it's not worth it.

You are correct that if you work in tech create a throw-away account to discuss anything critical of the prevailing viewpoints. Many holding the prevailing viewpoints are tyrannical and have shown themselves willing to destroy the lives of anyone pointing out problems in their viewpoint.

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Post by frrp »

colmvp wrote: post #126

I have to say, as an Asian male I found this comment by dirtyid in the article to be succinct and all too true: > "Pour one out for Asian males. Get screwed by affirmative action in education, media representation and now employment but can't get screwed on dating apps." Asian men constantly get grouped as a single entity when it comes to tech and aren't considered an added element of diverseness within the industry…

Be So Good They Can't Ignore You.

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Post by throwaway1584 »

plebian79878 wrote: post #163

I am a female engineer. All of this is so frustrating because whether what Google is doing is right or wrong (and I do have opinions on that to come) about how they are going about this, regardless, this kind of media buzz belittles the general view of value add of female engineers like me. I work really hard, and I don't want to be given extra breaks, or have the bar lowered. I would rather fail an interview (and I…

> one thign that annoys me about the media scrutinizing tech companies like this, is that the MEDIA themselves is one of the most masogogynistic cultures out there

NY Times, Huffington Post and many other outlets have a social justice agenda so this is easily shown to be false. Any news publication regularly read by left leaning Americans stay uncritical of anything that furthers a social justice agenda.

How often do you see news articles critical of the prevailing viewpoints? How often do you see articles critical of the prevailing viewpoints on the left?

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