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Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by PKop »

colmvp wrote: post #126

I have to say, as an Asian male I found this comment by dirtyid in the article to be succinct and all too true: > "Pour one out for Asian males. Get screwed by affirmative action in education, media representation and now employment but can't get screwed on dating apps." Asian men constantly get grouped as a single entity when it comes to tech and aren't considered an added element of diverseness within the industry…

It's because Asian's don't "need" the diversity agenda to help them that they are screwed over by it's policies. You aren't useful to them.

Your last paragraph is an explanation for why "tech" is becoming increasingly under attack by the diversity industry.

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Post by Slansitartop »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #184
darepublic wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They will stop hiring level 3 engineer who are Asian and white according to this allegation. The discrimination against asians matters to me even if you're perfectly happy with it in your social justice utopia that discriminates against me.

Meaning the "asian and white" people will become more entrenched in the (I assume) higher levels, with minorities doing the junior work. Or am I missing the point?

Or the pipeline's shut off to access those roles. It really depends on how much hiring is done at that level vs. internal promotion to them.

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Post by daxorid »

colmvp wrote: post #126

I have to say, as an Asian male I found this comment by dirtyid in the article to be succinct and all too true: > "Pour one out for Asian males. Get screwed by affirmative action in education, media representation and now employment but can't get screwed on dating apps." Asian men constantly get grouped as a single entity when it comes to tech and aren't considered an added element of diverseness within the industry…

Given this (correct) understanding of what "diversity" really means in American culture, why do you think it is that Asian-Americans overwhelmingly vote for pro-diversity policies?

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by driverdan »

bitL wrote: post #124
xxcode wrote: post #85

I work at Google. It is the most unpleasant place to work, largely because work evaluation is almost 80% politics (might be 100%). I am a senior engineer. You get stuck here because the pay you better than elsewhere, but I think it is a very bad and very sad place to work. My stomach curdles every morning before going to work and I wonder if it is worth it. Many of my peers talk in the same vein. Please consider not…

Consider deleting this post. You can be easily doxxed from your HN post history; it's not worth it.

It sounds like the best thing that could happen to them is to be fired.

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Post by pizza234 »

eclipxe wrote: post #109
xxcode wrote: post #85

I work at Google. It is the most unpleasant place to work, largely because work evaluation is almost 80% politics (might be 100%). I am a senior engineer. You get stuck here because the pay you better than elsewhere, but I think it is a very bad and very sad place to work. My stomach curdles every morning before going to work and I wonder if it is worth it. Many of my peers talk in the same vein. Please consider not…

I feel the exact opposite. I love going to work everyday at Google. I get the way you describe at previous companies. Not at Google.

How long have you been working at Google and what's your position (if you don't mind the question)?

Both factors may make a significant difference in the judgment of "working at Google" (I don't imply anything, either negative or positive).

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Post by memo_ree »

Slansitartop wrote: post #196
hi41 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found this shocking. How did this come to be? Don't places like Google reward people based on merit. Isn't it the hallowed ground for egalitarianism? I read an article about the hiring practices at Google that spoke highly about it.

Honestly, I'm not so surprised. A lot of stuff about employment Google reads like hagiographies. Maybe it was that way in the distant past, but its most notable perks (20% time, etc.) have been cut and it's big and publicly traded now, so rot has definitely had time to set in.

20% projects have been cut? I wish someone told me that before I started a 20% project which spanned multiple quarters, and still did well in my last performance review.

If an engineer isn't doing well on their 80% project, a 20% project might be frowned upon, that is true.

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Post by driverdan »

izacus wrote: post #155
_wmd wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a much simpler explanation exists: their workplace sucks (ex-Googler, have yet to read anything genuinely surprising in the past few weeks)

True, but it's also a very biased view with events that take place in most of large companies (you can find these reports for Amazon, Apple, etc. etc.) And yet others seem to get a free pass while Google is targeted by wrath of HN. Why?

Amazon has been highly criticized here. Apple much less so for reasons that aren't clear to me.

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Post by mc32 »

I think, or hope, one day we'll come to realize the only fair way to do any sort of affirmative action is by evaluating on economics, after ability.

That's to say the objective is not to hire underrepresented groups based on loose ethnic lines, but rather on their circumstance in life, all other meaningful qualifications being equal and lawful.

That said, regarding women, that's a special case where we want to improve things at the input side, get pupils when young excited so that one day they may find it's what they want to do to contribute to our society.

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Post by regularfry »

hunta2097 wrote: post #13
samfisher83 wrote: post #5

If this is true and the recruiter has emails to back up his case it should be a pretty easy case to win. According to the the rules: Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), which makes it illegal to discriminate against a person on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. It should also be a massive fine.

I have recently left tenure at a large telecoms company in the UK. They definitely had a practice of encouraging female hires. Even if they weren't the best fit for the role. Don't get me wrong, I am not approaching this in a sexist way - on the contrary I have worked with excellent and poor colleagues of both sexes. I think it diminishes the accomplishments of genuinely great minority/female employees to have this p…

People have tried fully anonymised hiring processes. The problem is that in tech women and minorities don't even apply, so it's attacking the problem too late in the process. When they do apply, there's stereotype threat to take account of as well, so even if the employer doesn't know anything about the candidate, that's not enough to correct the bias.

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Post by memo_ree »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #166
eclipxe wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel the exact opposite. I love going to work everyday at Google. I get the way you describe at previous companies. Not at Google.

Maybe you two should compare where you work and what you do; Google's a big company with over 72.000 employees, it's highly unlikely everyone has the same experience worldwide.

Exactly, two engineers could have an entirely different experience based on their team. Engineers can transfer to different teams too, though that team will obviously look at the engineer's history of performance.
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