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Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by kelukelugames »

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #73
gwbas1c wrote: post #55

I suspect that lawsuits like this will show that trying to artificially influence diversity through hiring practices is an incorrect approach. When I'm in a hiring position, it's not like we sit around a table and say, "we'd prefer the white male." We just don't have enough women and minorities in the hiring pool to begin with. The problem is that there aren't enough women and minorities entering our field. We just c…

I agree with you in general, but I'm curious how many would be "enough"?

A supreme court justice was asked the same question. I don't agree with it completely but think it's an interesting opinion.

>Rosen: Why is it good for men—as you said recently, there should be nine women on the Supreme Court …

>Ginsburg: No, I didn’t say there should be. The question was when will there be enough, so there’ll be enough when there are nine.

>For most of our history, except the times the court was less than nine, and the one time there were 10, they were, until Justice O’Connor, all men. And nobody thought anything was unusual about that.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/ruth-ba...

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by so_obviously »

colmvp wrote: post #126

I have to say, as an Asian male I found this comment by dirtyid in the article to be succinct and all too true: > "Pour one out for Asian males. Get screwed by affirmative action in education, media representation and now employment but can't get screwed on dating apps." Asian men constantly get grouped as a single entity when it comes to tech and aren't considered an added element of diverseness within the industry…

all of what you said is true, and that's why i (asian male) will always run my own business, no matter what the perceived opportunity cost may be, because it's nothing but a mirage.

counting on the white establishment, political right OR political left to give us any kind of a leg up or break is foolish in the extreme. this google episode is a perfect example of why. because we are merely 5% of the US population, we are treated as naive pawns by two sides in a larger game of ideological chess.

i contribute financially to asian-interest causes i deem worthy, but i'm under no illusion of this changing in my lifetime. the american social fabric is configured heavily against us and will be for at least one more generation, likely another 2.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by supergirl »

samfisher83 wrote: post #5

If this is true and the recruiter has emails to back up his case it should be a pretty easy case to win. According to the the rules: Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), which makes it illegal to discriminate against a person on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. It should also be a massive fine.

court will just look at distribution of google employees, see that white asian is not the minority and conclude no discrimination occurs

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Post by sincerely »

heisnotanalien wrote: post #93

What about if you are white working-class man? Is a middle-class black woman less privileged than a white working-class man? What about short versus tall people? What about beautiful versus ugly people? The halo effect is well-known. The whole thing is just absurd and dehumanising.

You're referring to the concept of "intersectionality" which is very well accepted in the literature etc.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by izacus »

_wmd wrote: post #117
izacus wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These kind of posts (and the amount of anti-Google articles here) make me think that Google is currently targeted by paid trolling/smear campaign.

a much simpler explanation exists: their workplace sucks (ex-Googler, have yet to read anything genuinely surprising in the past few weeks)

True, but it's also a very biased view with events that take place in most of large companies (you can find these reports for Amazon, Apple, etc. etc.) And yet others seem to get a free pass while Google is targeted by wrath of HN. Why?

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by RandomCSGeek »

shimon wrote: post #123
RandomCSGeek wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are two ways to nullify a problem. 1. Solve it 2. Create another problem in equal magnitude and opposite direction. Unfortunately, most countries/organisations seem to prefer second one, because it's easier and shows effect earlier, although over long period of time, it's going to be the worse one.

Do you believe it feasible for Google, or even a theoretical consortium of powerful companies like Google, to solve the gender, race, and socioeconomic inequalities in access to education and other resources that enable someone to work at such companies? If yes, how? If no, do you think it's better for them to attempt to compensate in a way that is feasible, or to do nothing?

They should solve the problems, instead of hiding the symptoms. They need to encourage women to enter tech field. This could be done at school level. They could ensure that women don't face harrasement at work. They could help women find jobs after a gap due to childbirth.

Find why women don't take admissions in STEM as much as men do. If there isn't any human-made reason, then let it be. Don't force equal numbers down the throat of deserving candidates.

What is currently going on in the world isn't going to solve the problem of race/gender based problems.

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Post by walshemj »

rvshchwl wrote: post #57
2aa07e2 wrote: post #2

> In April of 2017, Google’s Technology Staffing Management team was instructed by Alogna to immediately cancel all Level 3 (0-5 years experience) software engineering interviews with every single applicant who was not either female, Black, or Hispanic and to purge entirely any applications by non-diverse employees from the hiring pipeline. Plaintiff refused to comply with this request. Good for him. Google is now exc…

Google is the first big company that I actually rejected after receiving an offer from them. I had a really bad experience, and just felt like the company was looking for things I am much more qualified from. I was interviewed by engineers who were all just recent college grads, no managers, tech leads, or anyone I felt were probably more qualified to interview me. The environment felt toxic. Most people I talked to…

Is strange the US being such a litigious country that they let "civilians" with apparently no training interview people.

I worked for a FTSE 100 company and unless you had passed a hard 3 day residential course you could not interview anyone.

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Post by PeterisP »

fwdpropaganda wrote: post #7
jsmeaton wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like it was one manager. Is that all you need to blacklist an entire company?

To be fair, from the outside it is often hard to tell what is one manager and what is company culture.

It's not hard - if in this escalation the company would have facepalmed and fired the manager, than that would be the case of one weird manager; but if the company fires the recruiter and keeps the manager, then obviously that's the company culture they intentionally want to have.

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Post by decorator »

decorator wrote: post #59
rayiner wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that’s not what we get right now. We have qualified women driven away from the profession because of all the unwanted attention and hurdles that come along wit being a minority at work. In my profession (corporate law) we get a balanced gender distribution of applicants at the entry level. But that’s because of aggressive efforts to recruit women, as well as lawsuits, in the 1980s and 1990s, to counteract the…

You can be sure of a counterfactual? Really.

It seems counterfactuals can be known (according to the downvotes). It must be clear how truth-values can be obtained.

I must have missed the news about A/B testing reality. Silly me.

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Post by hi41 »

xxcode wrote: post #85

I work at Google. It is the most unpleasant place to work, largely because work evaluation is almost 80% politics (might be 100%). I am a senior engineer. You get stuck here because the pay you better than elsewhere, but I think it is a very bad and very sad place to work. My stomach curdles every morning before going to work and I wonder if it is worth it. Many of my peers talk in the same vein. Please consider not…

I found this shocking. How did this come to be? Don't places like Google reward people based on merit. Isn't it the hallowed ground for egalitarianism? I read an article about the hiring practices at Google that spoke highly about it.
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