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Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by hkmurakami »

bitL wrote: post #124
xxcode wrote: post #85

I work at Google. It is the most unpleasant place to work, largely because work evaluation is almost 80% politics (might be 100%). I am a senior engineer. You get stuck here because the pay you better than elsewhere, but I think it is a very bad and very sad place to work. My stomach curdles every morning before going to work and I wonder if it is worth it. Many of my peers talk in the same vein. Please consider not…

Consider deleting this post. You can be easily doxxed from your HN post history; it's not worth it.

Seconded.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by dwringer »

ofirg wrote: post #80
acdha wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accusing people of not reading the memo doesn’t contribute anything to the conversation. If you share Damore’s views, just say so rather than trying to distract.

You do no get to decide what contributes and what does not beyond your +-1. you do not have the moral high ground when you are repeating lies. It is clear to me that anyone that has read the memo, and is not laying will not describe it the way DanHulton did. Seems to me that what ever conversation you want to have it should not be based on falsehoods.

I read it, and I think DanHulton described it in pretty much the same way I would. The charts struck me as lacking meaningful context, and loose correlations were treated as logical, causal relationships in support for discriminatory hypotheses, reading like a case study in how to fallaciously present opinion as fact through charts and statistics.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by jptoor »

RandomCSGeek wrote: post #89
dragonwriter wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One thing I never understand is how people claim to support both equality and pro-minority/anti-majority actions at the same time. If you believe that the status quo is systematically biased, you cannot meanignfully support equality without supporting action to correct the bias.

There are two ways to nullify a problem. 1. Solve it 2. Create another problem in equal magnitude and opposite direction. Unfortunately, most countries/organisations seem to prefer second one, because it's easier and shows effect earlier, although over long period of time, it's going to be the worse one.

> although over long period of time, it's going to be the worse one.

Why do you believe that? Are there specific examples you're thinking of? How do you know it's too far?

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by epx »

bitL wrote: post #124
xxcode wrote: post #85

I work at Google. It is the most unpleasant place to work, largely because work evaluation is almost 80% politics (might be 100%). I am a senior engineer. You get stuck here because the pay you better than elsewhere, but I think it is a very bad and very sad place to work. My stomach curdles every morning before going to work and I wonder if it is worth it. Many of my peers talk in the same vein. Please consider not…

Consider deleting this post. You can be easily doxxed from your HN post history; it's not worth it.

Which confirms what he said?

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by LordKano »

2aa07e2 wrote: post #2

> In April of 2017, Google’s Technology Staffing Management team was instructed by Alogna to immediately cancel all Level 3 (0-5 years experience) software engineering interviews with every single applicant who was not either female, Black, or Hispanic and to purge entirely any applications by non-diverse employees from the hiring pipeline. Plaintiff refused to comply with this request. Good for him. Google is now exc…

As a black IT professional, I tend to leave the demographic information blank on applications because I want to avoid the racial implications of my application. I don't know if I'll be dismissed because I'm black and I don't want to be an affirmative action hire either.

I made it to the 3rd round of interviews with Google back in 2012. Maybe if I had told them I was black, I would have gotten the job.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by [deleted] »

RandomCSGeek wrote: post #125
raldi wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the real-world correlation to that analogy?

If you have 90% asian male/white male candidates, and 10% women/minority candidates, would you still remove most of asian/white male candidates to bring equality?

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Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by johngalt »

jsmeaton wrote: post #3
2aa07e2 wrote: post #2

> In April of 2017, Google’s Technology Staffing Management team was instructed by Alogna to immediately cancel all Level 3 (0-5 years experience) software engineering interviews with every single applicant who was not either female, Black, or Hispanic and to purge entirely any applications by non-diverse employees from the hiring pipeline. Plaintiff refused to comply with this request. Good for him. Google is now exc…

It sounds like it was one manager. Is that all you need to blacklist an entire company?

Per the complaint it appears to be four managers in a row across two levels of management. With HR getting involved haphazardly at best.

Keep in mind that this is only one side of the story. There is little evidence to support the complaint. It's too early to draw conclusions.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by andrewla »

samfisher83 wrote: post #5

If this is true and the recruiter has emails to back up his case it should be a pretty easy case to win. According to the the rules: Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), which makes it illegal to discriminate against a person on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. It should also be a massive fine.

The complaint is online [1], and it does contain screenshots of emails saying exactly what he claims.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1quxbLQRFP8H2VGWhhpsjRKxUTXZ...

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by raldi »

RandomCSGeek wrote: post #125
raldi wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the real-world correlation to that analogy?

If you have 90% asian male/white male candidates, and 10% women/minority candidates, would you still remove most of asian/white male candidates to bring equality?

Ah. To answer your previous question, no. Just like if my soup is too watery, I won't add more water, even if I have an effectively infinite supply on tap.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by bitL »

latencyloser wrote: post #114
bitL wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually your experience is not unique; you could see on Googlers in Mountain View or Zurich that many of them are one step from a burn-out, they are also often crammed next to each other in larger noisy rooms; most of them seemed pretty stressed out, not joyful, starting from receptionists. Such a huge contrast in attitude comparing to Microsoft (content/happy) or Facebook (high-energy).

I too rejected a job at Google after feeling like they just wanted to pigeon-hole me, so to speak. But, as a former Microsoft employee as well, it's not all sunshine there either. While experiences tend to vary, there I was crammed in a small, loud room with too many other people who I'd argue were more complacent than content. Similarly, I've had colleagues at Facebook describe it more as "exhausting" than high ener…

Yeah, it depends on the project usually. It's like what you are hearing from people at XYZ (a higher rated company on Glassdoor than FB/GOOG I don't want to mention by name) who left to Google and 50% of them returning back after ~1 year telling everyone how much it sucked there :D

I really think you should stay in such a company for 1-3 years, build your cash cushion (i.e. stage 1 booster) and then lift-off (make your own startup using connections you made).

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