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Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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> In April of 2017, Google’s Technology Staffing Management team was instructed by Alogna to immediately cancel all Level 3 (0-5 years experience) software engineering interviews with every single applicant who was not either female, Black, or Hispanic and to purge entirely any applications by non-diverse employees from the hiring pipeline. If this were remotely true, we wouldn't see any white men hired in a junior le…

As a white man hired at L3 last year, I can confirm this.

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I work at Google. It is the most unpleasant place to work, largely because work evaluation is almost 80% politics (might be 100%). I am a senior engineer. You get stuck here because the pay you better than elsewhere, but I think it is a very bad and very sad place to work. My stomach curdles every morning before going to work and I wonder if it is worth it. Many of my peers talk in the same vein. Please consider not…

These kind of posts (and the amount of anti-Google articles here) make me think that Google is currently targeted by paid trolling/smear campaign.

Account created: 2011. You're suggesting someone was planning to smear Google on HN since 7 years ago?

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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I work at Google. It is the most unpleasant place to work, largely because work evaluation is almost 80% politics (might be 100%). I am a senior engineer. You get stuck here because the pay you better than elsewhere, but I think it is a very bad and very sad place to work. My stomach curdles every morning before going to work and I wonder if it is worth it. Many of my peers talk in the same vein. Please consider not…

If you don't mind me asking... Why do you continue working there?

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is the first big company that I actually rejected after receiving an offer from them. I had a really bad experience, and just felt like the company was looking for things I am much more qualified from. I was interviewed by engineers who were all just recent college grads, no managers, tech leads, or anyone I felt were probably more qualified to interview me. The environment felt toxic. Most people I talked to…

Actually your experience is not unique; you could see on Googlers in Mountain View or Zurich that many of them are one step from a burn-out, they are also often crammed next to each other in larger noisy rooms; most of them seemed pretty stressed out, not joyful, starting from receptionists. Such a huge contrast in attitude comparing to Microsoft (content/happy) or Facebook (high-energy).

I too rejected a job at Google after feeling like they just wanted to pigeon-hole me, so to speak. But, as a former Microsoft employee as well, it's not all sunshine there either. While experiences tend to vary, there I was crammed in a small, loud room with too many other people who I'd argue were more complacent than content. Similarly, I've had colleagues at Facebook describe it more as "exhausting" than high energy.

I've come to the opinion that, unless you're a "famous" engineer, or very senior one, that can command a lot of respect and autonomy, most of these "dream job" companies are going to feel a lot more like a well paying sweatshop. At least, that's been my experience as someone with only several years in the field.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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There's more than a few very large tech companies that have let politics and emotions take over from innovation and excellence. It's opened the door to mass demotivation because people know inherently what is fake and posturing over what is real, creative, and interesting.

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're trying to to cook a PH-balanced dish, and it's currently too acidic, you'll discriminate in favor of adding high-PH ingredients, no?

But if had 90% acid and 10% base in your storage, would you throw away most of the acid to get a neutral solution?

What's the real-world correlation to that analogy?

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I work at Google. It is the most unpleasant place to work, largely because work evaluation is almost 80% politics (might be 100%). I am a senior engineer. You get stuck here because the pay you better than elsewhere, but I think it is a very bad and very sad place to work. My stomach curdles every morning before going to work and I wonder if it is worth it. Many of my peers talk in the same vein. Please consider not…

These kind of posts (and the amount of anti-Google articles here) make me think that Google is currently targeted by paid trolling/smear campaign.

a much simpler explanation exists: their workplace sucks

(ex-Googler, have yet to read anything genuinely surprising in the past few weeks)

Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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I suspect that lawsuits like this will show that trying to artificially influence diversity through hiring practices is an incorrect approach. When I'm in a hiring position, it's not like we sit around a table and say, "we'd prefer the white male." We just don't have enough women and minorities in the hiring pool to begin with. The problem is that there aren't enough women and minorities entering our field. We just c…

I agree with you in general, but I'm curious how many would be "enough"?

Since the US has 10s of thousands of open developer positions which are going unfilled, then purely from a pragmatic "what would help the economy" perspective, a good lower bound on "enough" is "we are able to fill those open positions".

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I've witnessed this at least twice in my career. Both cases by "women", the "diversity-promoting" manager actually meant "mid twenties attractive female". It makes me sick that people need to tip-toe on these issues and add the obligatory "not-sexist" appology to an obviously not-sexist text.

This is indeed a hidden problem in most of these conversations: you see in several fields an overabundance of good looking women, who have been hired by men for equality but over their probably (statistically on average) more qualified but less attractive sistren.

In our campus placement, one of my female classmate was asked a single question in a "technical" interview. Which was, "Are you willing to relocate to city x".

I won't make any conclusion as that would get me tons of downvotes.

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