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Uber and Lyft drivers' median hourly wage is just $3.37, report finds

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Re: Uber and Lyft drivers' median hourly wage is just $3.37, report finds

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The SkyTrain in Vancouver, Canada does not have drivers. It has been in service since it was built for the 1986 World Expo. Autonomous trains are not nearly as widespread as they could be, but this is not for technical reasons - it is for political reasons.

Pretty sure one of the Boston subway lines is autonomous (from the airport?), along with a smattering of subway lines around the world.

Blue line? Nope, it has a driver.

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Yeah. Do you think that depreciation shouldn't be 39 cents a mile for an old bucket? Or do they have requirements for the age of your car? If you have like a 2000 camry (which runs forever) depreciation seems to be virtually 0, especially if you buy the car used and only pay like 1 grand. Also, I can imagine if you're just shuttling food around instead of passengers, you can get away with a worse car. Nobody wants to…

I use Mr Money Mustache's figuring that each mile costs $1.55, then convert it to Canadian. $1.19 per km. Even a 2000 Camry will depreciate if you put enough mileage on it - if I was shopping for one I'd pay $5000 for under 120,000km, but not even a thousand for over 280,000km. But yes, you can get away with a bucket for food delivery. I'd say the best way to do it is on a scooter, but then you're really putting your…

Those old Japanese sedans are good for far more than 280000 km if you keep up on maintenance yourself.

Yes, anecotes are not evidence, but this article is interesting. https://jalopnik.com/5885287/how-i-put-750000-miles-on-my-ho...

And besides, you can buy a car for 4k with a lot of miles. At that point it's like a dishrag. You use it to do your job until you need a new one. Blows up by the side of the road? Tell your customer that happened, buy AAA, and depending on how bad it is, you can fix it yourself after it gets towed home, or junk it and buy another.

Or am I missing something?

Re: Uber and Lyft drivers' median hourly wage is just $3.37, report finds

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I use Mr Money Mustache's figuring that each mile costs $1.55, then convert it to Canadian. $1.19 per km. Even a 2000 Camry will depreciate if you put enough mileage on it - if I was shopping for one I'd pay $5000 for under 120,000km, but not even a thousand for over 280,000km. But yes, you can get away with a bucket for food delivery. I'd say the best way to do it is on a scooter, but then you're really putting your…

Those old Japanese sedans are good for far more than 280000 km if you keep up on maintenance yourself. Yes, anecotes are not evidence, but this article is interesting. https://jalopnik.com/5885287/how-i-put-750000-miles-on-my-ho... And besides, you can buy a car for 4k with a lot of miles. At that point it's like a dishrag. You use it to do your job until you need a new one. Blows up by the side of the road? Tell you…

I don't know where you live, but when I looked at for Colorado back in 2010, the state's Public Utility Commission regulations require cars to be 7 years old or less.

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Instead of giving in to a gut reaction, you should read the paper. All research must get funding in one way or another. If you exclude research due to funding sources and potential conflicts of interest, you wouldn't be left with much.

How exactly would you suggest people read the paper? The article linked to a brief [1] which says literally absolutely nothing about how they conjured up their numbers. And the paper itself is here [2]. It's rather worse than a paywall. Instead the paper is restricted to their "sponsors" until an embargo of up to 6 months. This sort of behavior should not instill confidence in the paper's conclusions. And I think it…

In other words, the paper is currently less than worthless since it can easily mislead people. At this point, it is little more than an appeal to authority.

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I don't get it. Taxicabs such as in NYC are famously expensive to buy into, and yet drivers somehow afford it and make livings on them. So if they are clearly not losing money, why is it that a company that's supposed to be vastly more efficient due to use of computers can't make a profit? Are the tech overheads really that high?

Taxicabs such as in NYC are (were) monopolies. The price you paid was far above what the market rate should have been, which is why drivers were able to make livings on them. Uber/Lyft are simply forcing prices back down to the market rate which is where the prices should be in a free market. Driving isn't really something that should be a career. > "Why is it that a company that's supposed to be vastly more efficien…

> "Driving isn't really something that should be a career."

Why not?

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Those old Japanese sedans are good for far more than 280000 km if you keep up on maintenance yourself. Yes, anecotes are not evidence, but this article is interesting. https://jalopnik.com/5885287/how-i-put-750000-miles-on-my-ho... And besides, you can buy a car for 4k with a lot of miles. At that point it's like a dishrag. You use it to do your job until you need a new one. Blows up by the side of the road? Tell you…

I don't know where you live, but when I looked at for Colorado back in 2010, the state's Public Utility Commission regulations require cars to be 7 years old or less.

Apparently times have changed.

http://aircarecolorado.com/index.php/consumer-information/20...

If I'm reading this right, this just means if your car is older you have to get it inspected.

I somehow doubt that classic cars (Mustang, Camaro, Corvette, 510) are banned anywhere in the country - they might have to meet more stringent tests.

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Taxicabs such as in NYC are (were) monopolies. The price you paid was far above what the market rate should have been, which is why drivers were able to make livings on them. Uber/Lyft are simply forcing prices back down to the market rate which is where the prices should be in a free market. Driving isn't really something that should be a career. > "Why is it that a company that's supposed to be vastly more efficien…

> "Driving isn't really something that should be a career." Why not?

This question would have made sense 10-20 years ago.

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> "Driving isn't really something that should be a career." Why not?

This question would have made sense 10-20 years ago.

No, I'm still confused. What is the problem with being a taxi driver for life and expecting a good wage?

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I question the authenticity of the $3.37 number when I see that the paper this article references was published by an organization funded by these bodies: Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, BP, ClearPath Foundation, Conoco Phillips, Duke Energy, Electricité de France, EnBW, ENGIE, ENI, Eversource, Exelon Corporation, ExxonMobil, Gas Natural Fenosa, GE, Golden Spread Electric Cooperative, Inc., Iberdrola, IHI Corpo…

Why would those companies want to smear Uber? Many of them profit from uber. Uber sells a ton of gas and cars.
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