This looks exactly like Confluence (no doubt it is better designed in various ways). Here is a Quora question asking for Confluence alternatives (Slite listed). [1] Right now I am really impressed with how coda.io creates documents with structured data, which is a different paradigm that overlaps with some note taking applications. [1] https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-modern-confluence-altern...
Launch HN: Slite (YC W18) – Note App for Teams
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Re: Launch HN: Slite (YC W18) – Note App for Teams
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you have any info on what makes the teams concept better than those in Notion / Google Docs / Paper? I also have the vague feeling that those tools have hard to understand team permissions, but I'm unclear on how Slite solves this in a better way. Either way, sounds interesting. Congrats on the launch!
Well the 'team' is actually defined in Slite, while google docs, paper or notion have rights granted on each folder / page / doc for a loose set of people. The easy way to see that is by checking a Google Drive structure : you have "My Drive", then some folders, some shared, some not, and in parallel "Shared with me" gathering documents that can come from outside your team, and that you can also put in "my drive"...…
That makes sense re: teams, thanks!
Re: Launch HN: Slite (YC W18) – Note App for Teams
#73Re: Launch HN: Slite (YC W18) – Note App for Teams
#74A Knowledge/Note based system is very useful for teams. On my own personal project where I have a team of 8 I tried Gitbook but when I lost a bunch of stuff do with git pull that override my local changes I really disliked Gitbook. I convinced my work to get on Confluence so we at least have a knowledge base. I find Confluence like all Atlassian products clunky, slow and cumbersome to navigate. I really liked Backpac…
Come and help us add other authentication options to Outline ;) I can promise you it'll be easier than "whipping up your own"
The issue with All Rights Reserved means lets say I were to put a ton of work into Outline and I want to monetize the work I put in to provide easy hosted solutions. I can't. I'm not saying I want to monetize but I don't know how much effort I will put in and then may regret giving you so much free code.
Re: Launch HN: Slite (YC W18) – Note App for Teams
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was one of the YC partners that decided to fund Slite. While I understand your concern, I can say from first hand experience, our decision didn't have anything to do with data. We funded Slite because "another note app" might be a billion dollar company. "Another search engine" was Google, "another social network" was Facebook, and "another file storage service" was Dropbox. Slite's plan is to charge users directly…
Google, Facebook, and Dropbox were all quite different from their competitors from very early on. I agree their business model could a the key to success, but from a user’s point of view, what is the reason that would make me want to pay for this new service? At a glance, it is quite similar to other note apps
Slite's value proposition is strongest in a mid-sized company, where you can model the organizational structure within the product.
Re: Launch HN: Slite (YC W18) – Note App for Teams
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Another note app? [...snip...] dropbox, notion, google . . . Unfortunately, as far as I'm concerned, none of these (or any existing note-taking app that I've tried) hits the sweet spot for me. I've commented on several note-taking apps in the past -- quite enthusiastically -- and I'd really like to see more. For some background, I live and die by my notes. Mainly due to spending about a decade developing against an…
Confluence actually has first class Markdown support now. You might need you admin to enable it.
Now, if they can just make search a bit better, it'd hit enough bullet points that I'd stop complaining about it.
Thanks, so much, for taking the time to keep me informed!
Re: Launch HN: Slite (YC W18) – Note App for Teams
#77Slite channels don't scale beyond a few notes. Like Evernote, the sidebar becomes a hard-to-navigate, endlessly scrolling list of stuff, and search becomes the only way to find what you want, which is of course terrible for discovery. There's no grouping mechanism where order matters. "Collections" are sorted, but only by title or date, not manually. So there's no way to collate and publish information. Google Docs, of course, has the same problem.
This is one area where Notion is marginally better, since pages have an inherent order, so you can build "books" of content (e.g. technical documentation, project plans, etc.). But you still have to manually create the navigation, since tables of contents aren't made for you. In Slite, publishing anything that has structure is basically impossible — everything is just a sea of notes. Another problem with Slite and Notion is that there are, inherently, types of notes/pages, but there's no way to classify them except possibly by tag. A set of meeting notes != a project plan != a scrapbook of possible office furniture != a todo list. And so on.
The more I think about apps like Evernote and Slite, the more I think the idea of note as an independent unit of information is wrong — unless all you do is write notes that have a short life cycle, like shopping lists. To build an organization around information, the information model has to be powerful. For example, a common use case shown in screenshots for Slite and other products is the idea of a checklist. We're doing a project, we have to have some designs, do some marketing, do some development. We create an outline:
[ ] Hire intern to work on leaflets
What's a thing that happens? Someone wants to comment on a specific task. So you have some person writing it into the document: [ ] Hire intern to work on leaflets *(who's gonna
do this? Brad??!)*
then: [ ] Hire intern to work on leaflets *(who's gonna
do this? Brad??!)* I'm on it — Liz :)
And off it goes. There's an inherent underlying data model here (checklists) expressed as a freely editable WYSIWYG bullet list. Documents like these quickly turn into messy junk, like a whiteboard full of scribbles, because people are all over it. Google Docs has an annotation feature for this, but it doesn't scale at all.I've looked through the product tour and tons of screenshots looking for what people are actually using Slite for, and I mostly see disorder. Meeting notes, sure. Project planning, todo list, bugs, scrapbooking, wiki-type tech docs... none of it seems appropriate for Slite, which leaves me wondering what I could use it for. I don't need another poor Evernote, I don't think anyone does, even if it's nicer-looking.
At one point I wondered if Slite could be useful for scrapbooking (example use case: collecting tons of inspirational material for guide one's interior design directions for the company office; another is collecting a bunch of products for comparison before whittling down candidates for purchase), but it's unfortunately not. You can't even drag and drop files into the web page, and once you've uploaded a file or image to the page, it cannot be moved around or copied/pasted (!).
Notion at least gets one kind of useful data model right, which is that of a wiki. Interlinking is, strangely enough, a buried feature (to you have to click on "Copy Link" of a page, then paste that, to get an inline link), but it's there.
Re: Launch HN: Slite (YC W18) – Note App for Teams
#78In my company, the sales team is often int the customer's building (for example for a demo) and often there is no wifi or any internet connection. So, we're looking for a documentation system that can be synchronized when opened and works perfectly offline (including full-text search).
At this moment, we are testing Microsoft OneNote.
Re: Launch HN: Slite (YC W18) – Note App for Teams
#79Another note app? I get that this is a massive problem space but with dropbox, notion, google and loads of other companies working on the exact same thing.... I have a hard time understanding why Y Combinator accepts companies like these. Either way, excited to try it out; sounds like you've put a lot of BS&T into this.
An active user from Russia here :). We are a small team of seven developers and we already love Slite.
Before Slite we were using multiple Google Docs and Sheets files to manage our team notes, and Trello to write down decisions we made during team meetings. We would create a lot of files on Google and send links to each other using Telegram or email. It's OK if you don't have a lot of documents but after a few months of working it's became a pain in the ass to find some particular file (and it's actual, team-approved version).
On Trello we had this 'Notes' board, where we would put all the notes on product decisions and team meetings, but it quickly became overloaded with stuff and you would hardly find anything there.
That's why our team loved Slite so much. It's very simple yet powerful tool. I am not sure if there anything else like that. Probably yes. But we are absolutely satisfied with Slite and like that its team already reached out to us to gather our feedback :).