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Uber and Lyft drivers' median hourly wage is just $3.37, report finds

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Re: Uber and Lyft drivers' median hourly wage is just $3.37, report finds

#91
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As a former pizza delivery guy, this seems odd to me. Before expenses, I’d make between 12 and 20 an hour depending on the night. The car I drove then had a KBB value of less than $3000 and it would have been eligible to use as an Uber. I just don’t see how you could possibly have such high levels of expenses unless you were paying like $600 a month for your car.

As a passenger, I'm very often in $40K+ vehicles. Even on a 60 month loan, that'd be over your $600 number just on car payments.

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#92
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are basically biding their time until driverless cars take off it seems.

Driverless cars in urban areas are decades away

Urban areas are easy. Snow is a hundred times harder.

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#93
post #63

This doesn't surprise me at all and it's because of hidden costs incurred by the driver, combined with an implicit bidding system that drives down wages. Hidden costs: 1. Vehicle wear and tear (cars cost you money when you drive them) 2. Vehicle depreciation (cars cost you money even when you aren't driving them) 3. Interest and fees associated with auto loans and leases 4. Insurance premiums 5. Gas 6. Unexpected/unp…

To add in to that, Uber itself seems to offer a lot of "helpful" services for their drivers, such as the cellphone they provide that only runs the driver app and nothing else, that uber charges $10 a week to lose.

Yeah, nobody does this.

You just install the driver app on your personal phone.

Re: Uber and Lyft drivers' median hourly wage is just $3.37, report finds

#94
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a bit curious about the dockless bike shares too, I suspect the same thing.

I'm not as certain about that. Potentially optimistic, but I could imagine bikes taking on a larger role as we move to self driving cars. If you read threads about biking[0], people seem to be motivated to bike more than they are motivated to drive. Although these same people are stymied by negative conditions. Self driving cars could improve biking conditions by opening up roadways, making them safer, providing bett…

I think I agree with the biking in general, self driving cars will probably make biking a lot safer both by reducing the chances of an idiot running into you, and reducing the number of parked cars on roads (riding beside parked cars is scary, because you are never sure when a door is going to open into you).

I don't think that I necessarily agree that this means bike shares will succeed though, I think private bike ownership has a lot going for it.

Re: Uber and Lyft drivers' median hourly wage is just $3.37, report finds

#95

This doesn't surprise me at all and it's because of hidden costs incurred by the driver, combined with an implicit bidding system that drives down wages. Hidden costs: 1. Vehicle wear and tear (cars cost you money when you drive them) 2. Vehicle depreciation (cars cost you money even when you aren't driving them) 3. Interest and fees associated with auto loans and leases 4. Insurance premiums 5. Gas 6. Unexpected/unp…

I had a driver once mention a promotion uber was running for their drivers if you hit "X rides' in a certain time period you'd receive a $Y cash bonus - the catch was the system made it extremely difficult but not impossible to achieve the goal through subtle gamification techniques.

Big picture tech/gamification has reached a point where oversight/legislation of some sort is long overdue. No restrictions + profit motive with our current understanding of human psychology and dopamine triggers is a recipe for a bad time.

Re: Uber and Lyft drivers' median hourly wage is just $3.37, report finds

#96
post #28
post #12

That seems too low. Most drivers I use have been doing it for years. They wouldn't at those rates.

You sure? I personally know people doing it as their primary income in a top 5 us city in pop. It's a grind.

Doesn't your question prove the GP's point?

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#97
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both Uber and Lyft have insurance policies that cover drivers and passengers during rides, and in most cases the maximum coverage per accident is $1 million. https://www.uber.com/drive/insurance/ https://help.lyft.com/hc/en-us/articles/115013080548-Insuran...

1 million is a laughable low coverage. Get into a single accident where someone has to get emergency surgery, a few months in the hospital, and then needs physical therapy to walk again. One million is gone faster than you can imagine.

1 million is far far higher than what most people carry. It's plenty.

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#98
post #75
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both Uber and Lyft have insurance policies that cover drivers and passengers during rides, and in most cases the maximum coverage per accident is $1 million. https://www.uber.com/drive/insurance/ https://help.lyft.com/hc/en-us/articles/115013080548-Insuran...

However, the insurance provided by Uber and Lyft only cover when you have a passenger in the car -- they don't cover you when you are driving to pick up the next person. And your own insurance also doesn't cover you during that period, unless you buy a separate commercial rider.

that's not true. it covers the driver while the app is on.

https://www.uber.com/drive/insurance/

> While you’re online with Uber before you accept a request, you are covered by our insurance policy for your liability to a third party if you are in an accident when you’re at fault

Re: Uber and Lyft drivers' median hourly wage is just $3.37, report finds

#99

> “The companies are losing money. The businesses are being subsidized by [venture capital] money … And the drivers are essentially subsidizing it by working for very low wages.” Last time I pointed that out I was downvoted for some unknown reason. My neighbor was talking about buying a new car to drive for lyft/uber and I was like "the trick is to tear up somebody else's car." We'll see if he heeds my advice though…

I don't get it. Taxicabs such as in NYC are famously expensive to buy into, and yet drivers somehow afford it and make livings on them. So if they are clearly not losing money, why is it that a company that's supposed to be vastly more efficient due to use of computers can't make a profit? Are the tech overheads really that high?

My theory is they are attempting to put the competition out of business by running at a loss then adjust the rates to where they can make money which, coincidentally, will be be almost exactly the amounts the "evil" taxi companies were charging.

I could be totally wrong but if I were a betting man...

Re: Uber and Lyft drivers' median hourly wage is just $3.37, report finds

#100

This doesn't surprise me at all and it's because of hidden costs incurred by the driver, combined with an implicit bidding system that drives down wages. Hidden costs: 1. Vehicle wear and tear (cars cost you money when you drive them) 2. Vehicle depreciation (cars cost you money even when you aren't driving them) 3. Interest and fees associated with auto loans and leases 4. Insurance premiums 5. Gas 6. Unexpected/unp…

I drove a cab for beer money back in college, and a year or so ago, I had an interesting discussion with a cab medallion owner, after some typical uber driver cut us off. He thought it was a suckers' game where it looked like you were making money - until you had your first breakdown and you had no money and no income. He was pretty confident the average cab driver couldn't plan for this, and the whole thing would collapse like a house of cards. For him, breakdowns weren't an issue because he still had the old Crown Victoria.

He also said "they're all from turnip town" which I thought was hilarious.

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