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Uber and Lyft drivers' median hourly wage is just $3.37, report finds

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Re: Uber and Lyft drivers' median hourly wage is just $3.37, report finds

#41
I've taken many Lyft and Uber trips in SF recently. It's amazing how many have new, high end cars.

One driver was a PYT and recent immigrant driving a luxury Mercedes C class. Wasn't hers. Sugar daddy's? Something else?

Doesn't make sense. I feel there's something else going on.

Many will have a story about being hired to transfer a bag or a box. Drugs? Money? Guns? Even then there couldn't be enough business to make a good profit.

Re: Uber and Lyft drivers' median hourly wage is just $3.37, report finds

#42
post #30

> “The companies are losing money. The businesses are being subsidized by [venture capital] money … And the drivers are essentially subsidizing it by working for very low wages.” Last time I pointed that out I was downvoted for some unknown reason. My neighbor was talking about buying a new car to drive for lyft/uber and I was like "the trick is to tear up somebody else's car." We'll see if he heeds my advice though…

I didn't know MBA's were that squeezed that they need second jobs.

An MBA does not guarantee a good job.

Re: Uber and Lyft drivers' median hourly wage is just $3.37, report finds

#43

> “The companies are losing money. The businesses are being subsidized by [venture capital] money … And the drivers are essentially subsidizing it by working for very low wages.” Last time I pointed that out I was downvoted for some unknown reason. My neighbor was talking about buying a new car to drive for lyft/uber and I was like "the trick is to tear up somebody else's car." We'll see if he heeds my advice though…

LOL, I'm feel pretty much trained to see a top-voted "Thanks again to all the VCs for subsidizing my taxi rides!"-type comment every time I click to the HN discussion on stories about Lyft/Uber valuations and investments.

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#44
I find articles like this dubious when they state an outlandish claim, even if supported by a study, and make 0 effort to explain or justify the results. Instead appealing to the implied authority of said study, that the reader is apparently expected to unquestioningly believe.

That number is obviously going to be controversial. How was it calculated? What assumptions were made? In their own article every single other source they reference provided higher numbers. How much higher? What were the exact reasons for the discrepancy? They did state that other studies showed higher earnings because "there are numerous ways to report income and to calculate costs and time and miles spent on the job." Why did this study report lower income, more miles, or higher costs?

I wish the job of journalism was still to inform people, and not just to get people to click on things.

Re: Uber and Lyft drivers' median hourly wage is just $3.37, report finds

#45

I've taken many Lyft and Uber trips in SF recently. It's amazing how many have new, high end cars. One driver was a PYT and recent immigrant driving a luxury Mercedes C class. Wasn't hers. Sugar daddy's? Something else? Doesn't make sense. I feel there's something else going on. Many will have a story about being hired to transfer a bag or a box. Drugs? Money? Guns? Even then there couldn't be enough business to make…

I haven't seen many. The few I have been in have been people just doing it for "fun" if they were bored or to keep themselves out of trouble. They never seemed to be the people coming in from Stockton or Reno and needed the money.

Re: Uber and Lyft drivers' median hourly wage is just $3.37, report finds

#46
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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't Waymo already first to market?

What product do they have on the market?

Self driving cars... in Pheonix.

But looks like I was wrong. They do have a self driving car service running for a group of testers, but apparently it is currently free so I don't think it counts. On the other hand they've got permission to start charging and have said they plan to this year, so I'd still expect them to beat Tesla.

Source: https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/waymo-now-a-full-ride-hai...

Re: Uber and Lyft drivers' median hourly wage is just $3.37, report finds

#47
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Any Uber drivers want to chime in?

This seems rather low. Granted it's been almost two years since I drove for (primarily lyft) and I was making 50k/year for about 70h work a week. And also I gave myself about 6 weeks of vacation over that year and half.

I'd like to know the average, high and low as well as the median.

Re: Uber and Lyft drivers' median hourly wage is just $3.37, report finds

#48
post #30

> “The companies are losing money. The businesses are being subsidized by [venture capital] money … And the drivers are essentially subsidizing it by working for very low wages.” Last time I pointed that out I was downvoted for some unknown reason. My neighbor was talking about buying a new car to drive for lyft/uber and I was like "the trick is to tear up somebody else's car." We'll see if he heeds my advice though…

I didn't know MBA's were that squeezed that they need second jobs.

I think he is having a hard time getting a job that doesn't pay peanuts, kind of suspect it has to do with his English skills (he's from the Ukraine or something) but it could just be the market is saturated with newly minted MBAs.

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#49
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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are basically biding their time until driverless cars take off it seems.

Driverless cars in urban areas are decades away

I find it interesting how the same people that have no problem accepting that the last 10% of a random software project accounts for a significant portion of the total time spent, can at the same time be so unreasonably optimistic that a whole sphere of tech can go from like 70% to 100% (where 100% is also the minimum amount required) in a really short period.

Re: Uber and Lyft drivers' median hourly wage is just $3.37, report finds

#50
This doesn't surprise me at all and it's because of hidden costs incurred by the driver, combined with an implicit bidding system that drives down wages.

Hidden costs:

1. Vehicle wear and tear (cars cost you money when you drive them)

2. Vehicle depreciation (cars cost you money even when you aren't driving them)

3. Interest and fees associated with auto loans and leases

4. Insurance premiums

5. Gas

6. Unexpected/unplanned for tax bills

But the feedback you're getting about your income is just the dollar figure that shows up in your account, which is vastly higher than the true amount you could reasonably keep as profit. It makes $10 feel like $100.

Combine that with the implicit bidding system. And by this I mean, market forces will naturally saturate Uber and Lyft with drivers until the price falls low enough that drivers won't accept it. And because of the factors I listed above, that natural price point is practically guaranteed to be well below minimum wage.

The whole setup is just beautifully engineered to trick poor people into thinking this can be a career. I've often thought about which is worse, this or Herbalife. I think Uber and Lyft might impact more people than Herbalife, and generally those people start with less, so I might give it to Uber and Lyft.

Actually, it's also a profession that has one of the highest rates of workplace fatalities, so I'd definitely give the title to Uber/Lyft over Herbalife.

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