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Astranis emerges from stealth with new satellite tech for connecting the world

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Re: Astranis emerges from stealth with new satellite tech for connecting the world

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Ok, I'll hit you with 3 questions: 1. What bandwidth capacity are you aiming for per spacecraft? 2. Are you using commercial or rad hard parts? 3. Is there a deployable antenna that makes the spacecraft larger than 3'x3'x3'?

Let’s see: they’re spending tens of millions of dollars to put something into geostationary orbit that will presumably last there for years. I’m thinking they’re probably using radiation hardened parts.

As someone who has done rad hard fpga design as well as radiation testing of components, I can say: that's too bad. Rad hard parts are so behind commercial, and have such high unit costs (RTG4 is ~90k each, 300krad TID), and the verification is grueling. It's fun to see your stuff leave the planet, though.

Re: Astranis emerges from stealth with new satellite tech for connecting the world

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Hi everyone, I’m one of the cofounders of Astranis (YC W16). Thanks for taking the time to read about what we’re doing and happy answer any questions.

What does your embedded software stack look like? Are you running real-time Linux (and maybe Xenomai), or an RTOS?

Re: Astranis emerges from stealth with new satellite tech for connecting the world

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The SpaceX ground stations are meant to be consumer owned (about the size of a pizza box).

There is a difference between the CPE (what you use to get the service) and what SpaceX uses to sink your traffic into the global internet. And in fact there is exactly zero incentive for somebody other than SpaceX to run the ground stations. On the other hand it is completely possible that SpaceX's ground stations will use HW that is similar to their CPE box and thus they can build ridiculous amount of such ground s…

You (and the parent of my comment) are completely correct; I misunderstood.

Re: Astranis emerges from stealth with new satellite tech for connecting the world

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How do you plan to compete with SpaceX once they start offering low latency service everywhere? All interactive traffic is latency sensitive (have built middleboxes to improve latency issues with tcp and other protocols)

I'd take SpaceX's latency claims with a big grain of salt. They'll only be true if you're in close geographic proximity to one of their ground stations. Once you're routing packets between satellites to get to a ground station all bets are off.

Actually, because the speed of light in vacuum is faster than that in an optical fibre, SpaceX does great as long as the satellite-to-satellite hops aren't congested and land near your actual destination. The question no one knows the answer for is how often that will be, compared to the case of the ground station being farther away from the destination.

Re: Astranis emerges from stealth with new satellite tech for connecting the world

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Hi everyone, I’m one of the cofounders of Astranis (YC W16). Thanks for taking the time to read about what we’re doing and happy answer any questions.

Satellite earth station engineer view: I'm interested in what the total system gain, EIRP and power looks like in an Astranis spot beam from geostationary, as compared to a current-generation 4000 to 6500 kilogram geostationary satellite with Ku and Ka band spot beams. I am optimistic but also skeptical. The size and power of the satellite will influence what the size of VSAT terminals needs to be, and also the earth…

Hey there, I think you got the gist of it in a different part of this thread (each of our spacecraft has a fraction of the number of transponders as a typical large GEO). But if you'd like to discuss further I'd be happy to chat offline. Do you have an email address or other way that I could contact you?

Re: Astranis emerges from stealth with new satellite tech for connecting the world

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That would be an interesting model for the ground stations. Everybody else builds large and capable ground stations with big dishes. Iridium for example provides global phone and slow data coverage using only one public ground station, but also uses a completely different band to talk with the ground stations vs. the handhelds.

Iridium used to have multiple gateways. I think Arizona, Italy, Middle East, and Asia. Do they only use Arizona now?

According to this Motherboard article [1] from Jan 27, 2018, only the Tempe, AZ gateway handles non-military traffic, with the US DOD and Russia operating the two other (military) gateways. I can't remember if the other gateways were shutdown during Iridium's bankruptcy.

[1] https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/d34bmk/iridium-ne...

Re: Astranis emerges from stealth with new satellite tech for connecting the world

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Hi everyone, I’m one of the cofounders of Astranis (YC W16). Thanks for taking the time to read about what we’re doing and happy answer any questions.

Where does the "industry’s targeted $75 per megabit per second per month for dedicated bandwidth" figure come from? Is it a satellite industry figure, or submarine cable cost, or normal terrestial fiber haul cost, or...?

Re: Astranis emerges from stealth with new satellite tech for connecting the world

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How do you plan to compete with SpaceX once they start offering low latency service everywhere? All interactive traffic is latency sensitive (have built middleboxes to improve latency issues with tcp and other protocols)

I'd take SpaceX's latency claims with a big grain of salt. They'll only be true if you're in close geographic proximity to one of their ground stations. Once you're routing packets between satellites to get to a ground station all bets are off.

Because SpaceX is known to over-promise and under-deliver? They seem to have an extremely powerful institutional engineering capability. That's not fanboy talk e.g., we're going to mars! Just look at what they've accomplished. Landing a rocket on its business end is no mean feat -- for any engineering team, ever.

I know this is a YC forum but seeing the Astranis team's responses to people asking very incisive questions is troubling. Maybe they're far better at engineering than building confidence but I detect that sort of single minded dismissal (often of objective reality) that plagues a lot of entrepreneurs.

Maybe this is unfair but it sounds like someone got latched onto the idea of "micro-satellites" and won't let it go, ending up with "we can conceivably put up only X, so they'd have to be geosynchronous". Maybe there's a reason SpaceX is doing a LEO constellation, regardless of their unfair advantages in that regard.

Of course latency is an issue. Engineers will run away. Maybe you don't need them to succeed, maybe they are 0.1% of the market. Of course, where would Apple be without software engineer and designer buy in? Maybe the average customer shouldn't care, 'cause they're all high latency ok. Doesn't stop them from being swayed by marketing. A single infographic showing why low latency is better -- all else being equal -- what are customers going to choose?

Not sure why YC would have invested in this other than to broaden their portfolio. The chances of this company becoming a unicorn must be vanishingly small. If unicorns are no longer the VC mantra, cool, I've got a lifestyle business you can throw money at, provided there are zero expectations.

By all means prove me wrong and best of luck to you. Take this is as constructive criticism. If you're going to engage anyone in public bring your A game.

Re: Astranis emerges from stealth with new satellite tech for connecting the world

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Satellite earth station engineer view: I'm interested in what the total system gain, EIRP and power looks like in an Astranis spot beam from geostationary, as compared to a current-generation 4000 to 6500 kilogram geostationary satellite with Ku and Ka band spot beams. I am optimistic but also skeptical. The size and power of the satellite will influence what the size of VSAT terminals needs to be, and also the earth…

Hey there, I think you got the gist of it in a different part of this thread (each of our spacecraft has a fraction of the number of transponders as a typical large GEO). But if you'd like to discuss further I'd be happy to chat offline. Do you have an email address or other way that I could contact you?

I understand you are probably at a very early stage of product design for the satellite capabilities, so you are cagey and don't want to make any definitive statements of technical specs... But I'd rather not move the discussion off forum into private email when the other people reading this thread could possibly benefit from answers to my specific questions.

I am kind of concerned that your answers to others' questions in this thread are vague and noncommittal.

One more question. Do you intend to:

(A) lease raw transponder kHz capacity to third party end users and ISPs (eg: the ku spot beams I can get on Russian satellites covering Afghanistan and a check for $4500 USD a month,

or (b) is your business plan to operate both the satellites and the earth stations, and resell fully packaged VSAT services directly to end users?

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