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YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Re: YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Post by titanix2 »

EduardoBautista wrote: post #81
colmvp wrote: post #55

This doesn’t surprise me. I can’t speak to what it’s like to be a white man but for some reason Asians especially men are excluded as being part of what contributes to diversity despite being visible persons of colour.

And Asians are more successful than white people on average. Strange that there is no “Asian Privilege”

I read more than once on diversity related posts or comments that East-Asian are considered privileged or even... white.

That shows the real motive is not the one stated. This diversity stuff is a power game used by some minorities go get some advantages for themselves. They do not care about the minorities that can achieve things by themselves, with education and hard work.

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Post by alphabettsy »

alphabettsy wrote: post #106
danieltillett wrote: post #19

The thing I hate about actions like this is what it does to talented people who fit some diversity quota checklist, both in the perception they have of themselves and those of other people. If you are a talented melanin-rich woman you are going to face both heightened impostor syndrome and dismissal by others that you only got the job because of some quota. Not good for anyone. There are no easy solutions, but it wou…

This isn’t a new problem. Women and POC that were hired following affirmative action reported being called “affirmative action hires” and faced workplace discrimination based on the idea that they didn’t deserve the jobs. Maybe they did, maybe they didn’t, but how was the issue of them being denied jobs based on sex or race to be solved otherwise?

Anyone have a good response or just typical HN downvotes when challenged?

Re: YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Post by mkeedlinger »

cookiecaper wrote: post #31
neerkumar wrote: post #8

Anyone who has worked for a large tech company in SF in the last 3/4 years knows that this has happened everywhere. In fairness, Google was one of the very last ones among large tech companies to play the quota game. But the problem is that that's a game that once the first company starts playing it, everyone else is forced to play it too. Company X publishes a report with amazing diversity numbers and brands itself…

It's not about recruiting. It's about lawsuits. Companies with more than 100 employees are legally obligated to report demographic information to the EEOC. The EEOC reviews this information when someone files a complaint alleging discrimination. If similar companies in the same industry and geography have numbers that show a more diverse demographic profile, the EEOC is much more likely to consider a discrimination c…

I did not know that, and that brings a whole new dimension to my understanding of this issue. Thanks.

Re: YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Post by vkou »

nv-vn wrote: post #94
fzeroracer wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We already do live in that world. If you 'whiten up' your resume, you're more likely to get callbacks. Even if the company indicates that they're pro-diversity or equal-opportunity [1]. Employees with black-sounding names are in general less likely to receive callbacks even when accounting for economic status and skill level [2]. Depending on your name, you will be perceived as being more violent or lesser in status…

So what about making it name-blind?

You still end up with all the biases in the pipeline.

Re: YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Post by HarryHirsch »

wycs wrote: post #68
neerkumar wrote: post #8

Anyone who has worked for a large tech company in SF in the last 3/4 years knows that this has happened everywhere. In fairness, Google was one of the very last ones among large tech companies to play the quota game. But the problem is that that's a game that once the first company starts playing it, everyone else is forced to play it too. Company X publishes a report with amazing diversity numbers and brands itself…

Then company X gets rightfully trounced by a Chinese firm 5 years from now which does not share our ridiculous racial taboos. Some crimes are self policing.

No company ever got trounced because they followed the prevailing political winds. Let's face it: the top tech companies have sufficient applicants, so they can choose whoever they want, and most jobs are drone jobs.

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Post by netheril96 »

ghostcluster wrote: post #61
ignoramceisblis wrote: post #23

Did anyone not see this coming? The goal posts of equal _outcome_ continue to move, from university enrollment, to employment enrollment. And there are some people who want to see it go further. (What societal engineering scheme does this resemble?) With no apparent regard for what it costs. Do you want to live in a world where you are judged by the color of your skin, your gender, your "ethnicity"? Or do you think t…

Note, this lawsuit is being brought by former Google recruiters who say they were ordered to "purge" certain groups from the interview queue. > YouTube recruiters were allegedly instructed to cancel interviews with applicants who weren’t female, black or Hispanic, and to “purge entirely” the applications of people who didn’t fit those categories, the lawsuit claims. I'd like to remind people of what Denise Young Smit…

She should file a lawsuit alleging gender discrimination by Apple. The irony would be palpable.

Re: YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Post by ghostcluster »

huckyaus wrote: post #109
mesozoic wrote: post #64

Is anyone still surprised by this behaviour from a post-Demore Google?

The timeframe for these alleged actions predates the release of Damore's memo.

Maybe he was actually onto an unhealthy culture within the company, and trying to help it from the inside.

Re: YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Post by stcredzero »

r00fus wrote: post #110
master-litty wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Towards the end of last year I actually did apply to Google in Mountain View for Software Engineering. I believe my on-site went excellent technically overall, but I had a hard time meshing with a couple of my interviewers and wasn't surprised about my rejection. Nothing strange about that personally. However, another Google recruiter reached out to me for two other potential positions, said I would be an excellent f…

This happens all the time in recruiting. Companies leave candidates hanging indefinitely. Hell, I've had it happen to me even for an internal position at a company I've worked for.

It used to be that this was just not done. However, the Bay Area and Silicon Valley seem to have adopted much degraded standards. When I was young, a company that did such things would have been marking itself as being comprised of immoral rubes.

Re: YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Post by tzs »

ausjke wrote: post #4

NBA is totally underrepresented by non-black Males, let's sue them. Swim tournament is severely underrepresented by deep skin colors. Meanwhile track and field is the opposite. Let's mix all colors everywhere based on population percentile, to achieve diversity, equal rights and fairness. Or do something like Dr.King hoped, that is, don't judge a person by color.

Black people are severally underrepresented among swimmers in general, not just among competitive swimmers. The BBC had an interesting article about this a few years ago [1].

This is a serious problem, leading to unnecessary deaths of black children. Here's an article by the founder of an organization trying to address this called "Black Kids Swim" [2].

[1] http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-11172054

[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/this-stereotype-is-k...

Re: YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asian Males, Lawsuit Says

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Post by Clanan »

fzeroracer wrote: post #79
ignoramceisblis wrote: post #23

Did anyone not see this coming? The goal posts of equal _outcome_ continue to move, from university enrollment, to employment enrollment. And there are some people who want to see it go further. (What societal engineering scheme does this resemble?) With no apparent regard for what it costs. Do you want to live in a world where you are judged by the color of your skin, your gender, your "ethnicity"? Or do you think t…

We already do live in that world. If you 'whiten up' your resume, you're more likely to get callbacks. Even if the company indicates that they're pro-diversity or equal-opportunity [1]. Employees with black-sounding names are in general less likely to receive callbacks even when accounting for economic status and skill level [2]. Depending on your name, you will be perceived as being more violent or lesser in status…

> studies and research in general has shown this to not be the case

Not really. It can still be true that this white/asian discrimination is happening in tech, whereas the listed papers appear to test non-technical job fields. Ideally, racial profiling shouldn't happen anywhere! But be careful in applying those specific findings to the entire field of hiring/jobs.

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