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Re: How Do We Learn?

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Post by Asdfbla » Thu, Mar 01, 2018, 4:00 PM UTC

jiojfekjl wrote: post #13

Asdfbla wrote: post #12

I never got Zines. Beyond their cutesy art style, they generally don't seem particularly effective at conveying information in a somewhat concise manner. And if you don't want to be concise, why use such a very visual medium then and not just write an article?

There's nothing to get. A zine is just a self published magazine. Not all of them are hand drawn. Essentially, zines were blogs before the web.

Fair enough, I wasn't aware of the original meaning since I only came across it multiple times on the web in this drawn, comic-like form.

Re: How Do We Learn?

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Post by posterboy » Thu, Mar 01, 2018, 4:12 PM UTC

et15 wrote: post #8

I took a Coursera course titled Learning How to Learn[0] and found it really helpful as an intro class to this "field". It was also very practical. [0] https://www.coursera.org/learn/learning-how-to-learn

The title of the course really shows that learning is recursive. Pretty fitting given the name of the company who hosts us.

Re: How Do We Learn?

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Post by tw1010 » Thu, Mar 01, 2018, 4:15 PM UTC

giardini wrote: post #29

This seems more like "How Do We Memorize?", as is taught and performed (poorly) in American schools. In contrast we learn by doing , by manipulating things or concepts.

That seems like a very engineering-skewed perspective on knowledge. I'm not sure how that advice could apply to a philosophy or sociology student. If doing means writing research papers, then that is going to be a hugely inefficient way to learn all the things they need to learn. They won't have the resources to write a paper on everything they read. Some of it needs to just go down the subconscious, rapidly and in large quantity, for quick reference later on.

Re: How Do We Learn?

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Post by daryllxd » Thu, Mar 01, 2018, 4:44 PM UTC

closed wrote: post #16

atticusberg wrote: post #2

Any suggestions for further reading? In particular a book geared towards people who aren’t domain experts would be great

I've been reading the book Becoming Fluent, and it seems like a great introduction to the field. It's about how cognitive psychology can help adults learn a new language. However, from another angle, it's basically about using the idea of language learning to teach basic cognitive psychology. (My phd was in human memory, and I can't stop thinking about ways this book could be used as part of a cool learning course).

Can this work in learning a new programming language? I'm seeing parallels in that you'll need to recognize/encode patterns/syntax in both.

Re: How Do We Learn?

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Post by jiojfekjl » Thu, Mar 01, 2018, 4:51 PM UTC

Asdfbla wrote: post #31

jiojfekjl wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing to get. A zine is just a self published magazine. Not all of them are hand drawn. Essentially, zines were blogs before the web.

Fair enough, I wasn't aware of the original meaning since I only came across it multiple times on the web in this drawn, comic-like form.

I figured that was the case, so I'm glad I could fill you in.

I agree that the hand drawn style isn't the best way to consume this sort of content.

Re: How Do We Learn?

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Post by ksk » Thu, Mar 01, 2018, 4:55 PM UTC

After reading about and learning all about how our biology works and everything about the brain, cognitive neuroscience, psychology, etc has anyone put these ideas into practice? It would be impressive if an outsider became an expert in a field which they knew nothing about.

Re: How Do We Learn?

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Post by dahart » Thu, Mar 01, 2018, 5:57 PM UTC

mmjaa wrote: post #30

Asdfbla wrote: post #12

I never got Zines. Beyond their cutesy art style, they generally don't seem particularly effective at conveying information in a somewhat concise manner. And if you don't want to be concise, why use such a very visual medium then and not just write an article?

Sir and/or Madam, I feel the need to inform you that you are, more than likely, quite ill-informed. Zines are a spectacular human achievement, worthy of your attention and respect. Or, were it otherwise, how do you explain this godamn amazing piece of work: https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/

This looks hilarious and interesting. Reminds me of Diagram http://thediagram.com/ but PoC||GTFO seems a lot more programming specific?

Re: How Do We Learn?

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Post by marnett » Thu, Mar 01, 2018, 6:15 PM UTC

tw1010 wrote: post #33

giardini wrote: post #29

This seems more like "How Do We Memorize?", as is taught and performed (poorly) in American schools. In contrast we learn by doing , by manipulating things or concepts.

That seems like a very engineering-skewed perspective on knowledge. I'm not sure how that advice could apply to a philosophy or sociology student. If doing means writing research papers, then that is going to be a hugely inefficient way to learn all the things they need to learn. They won't have the resources to write a paper on everything they read. Some of it needs to just go down the subconscious, rapidly and in l…

I think philosophy and sociology are still poor examples - for the most part those subjects are reading, writing, and thinking. When I think of tedious fields that require mostly memorization, I think of medicine and law.

Re: How Do We Learn?

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Post by dorfsmay » Thu, Mar 01, 2018, 6:25 PM UTC

et15 wrote: post #8

I took a Coursera course titled Learning How to Learn[0] and found it really helpful as an intro class to this "field". It was also very practical. [0] https://www.coursera.org/learn/learning-how-to-learn

That class is free. Everybody should take it. Lots if insights on how to deal with procrastination, effect of physical activities on our brain efficiency, etc...

Re: How Do We Learn?

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Post by giardini » Thu, Mar 01, 2018, 6:29 PM UTC

tw1010 wrote: post #33

giardini wrote: post #29

This seems more like "How Do We Memorize?", as is taught and performed (poorly) in American schools. In contrast we learn by doing , by manipulating things or concepts.

That seems like a very engineering-skewed perspective on knowledge. I'm not sure how that advice could apply to a philosophy or sociology student. If doing means writing research papers, then that is going to be a hugely inefficient way to learn all the things they need to learn. They won't have the resources to write a paper on everything they read. Some of it needs to just go down the subconscious, rapidly and in l…

So you get students who can parrot what they memorize but cannot think, reason and solve new problems.

Maybe that's OK for philosophy and sociology, but in other fields students will be actually asked to contribute to the world and so must be trained to do rather than to memorize.

Except for scholars (who are primarily historians) what of philosophy and sociology is worth remembering anyway? Most of philosophy was written before Darwin and certainly before any significant brain science research was done. Much of sociology is also questionable:

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=half+of+sociolo...

The only reason education focuses on memorization is because in 1892 a committee chaired by the President of Harvard decided that high school education in the USA should prepare students for collegiate study in particular subjects of his choosing. Should we, today, continue to follow the direction of those professors, who were only interested in ensuring that, when students arrived at their departments, they were sufficiently indoctrinated to be scholars in their fields?

https://kamccollum.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/school-is-profou...