Hey Gruber, what about the users?

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Post by brilliant » Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 11:10 AM UTC

Hey Gruber, what about the users?
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Re: Hey Gruber, what about the users?

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Post by pistoriusp » Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 12:10 PM UTC

We must be using different Internet or maybe the website I browse aren't flash heavy.

I cannot recall a single instance where I thought... "Damn! If only I had flash on my iPad/ iPhone."

Re: Hey Gruber, what about the users?

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Post by daleharvey » Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 12:13 PM UTC

pistoriusp wrote: post #2

We must be using different Internet or maybe the website I browse aren't flash heavy. I cannot recall a single instance where I thought... "Damn! If only I had flash on my iPad/ iPhone."

I have a htc desire that supports flash and havent once though, "Phew I am glad my phone supports flash".

I am considering finding out how to disable it, the battery life isnt awesome and if my laptop is anything to go by, flash is pretty high on that culprit list.

Re: Hey Gruber, what about the users?

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Post by doron » Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 12:46 PM UTC

daleharvey wrote: post #3

pistoriusp wrote: post #2

We must be using different Internet or maybe the website I browse aren't flash heavy. I cannot recall a single instance where I thought... "Damn! If only I had flash on my iPad/ iPhone."

I have a htc desire that supports flash and havent once though, "Phew I am glad my phone supports flash". I am considering finding out how to disable it, the battery life isnt awesome and if my laptop is anything to go by, flash is pretty high on that culprit list.

In the options of the browser, under plugins. I have set it to prompt, best of both worlds.

Re: Hey Gruber, what about the users?

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 12:53 PM UTC

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Re: Hey Gruber, what about the users?

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Post by raganwald » Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 12:57 PM UTC

I wish Dave would read and abide by "How to Disagree." The wisecrack about Gruber's minions takes a reasonable discussion and reduces it to Fox-Newsworthy labeling and ad hominem rhetoric.

People who agree with Gruber are cut from much the same cloth as people who want the choice of whether to run Flash.

Re: Hey Gruber, what about the users?

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Post by tjogin » Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 12:57 PM UTC

Even if Apple wanted the iPad to support flash, how could they? A working mobile flash implementation does not exist, certainly wasn't even close to existing at the time the iPad was released, and the lack of it doesn't seem to have affected sales.

How could you possibly complain that the iPad doesn't support software that doesn't exist?

Let's postpone this discussion until when Adobe can show off a flash runtime that a) exist and b) doesn't suck. Is that too much to ask?

Re: Hey Gruber, what about the users?

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Post by JoelMcCracken » Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 1:03 PM UTC

tjogin wrote: post #7

Even if Apple wanted the iPad to support flash, how could they? A working mobile flash implementation does not exist, certainly wasn't even close to existing at the time the iPad was released, and the lack of it doesn't seem to have affected sales. How could you possibly complain that the iPad doesn't support software that doesn't exist? Let's postpone this discussion until when Adobe can show off a flash runtime tha…

When I see people jailbreaking their iPhones to support flash, and flash works well, then the community should talk. Can't agree with you more.

Re: Hey Gruber, what about the users?

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Post by jonknee » Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 1:21 PM UTC

tjogin wrote: post #7

Even if Apple wanted the iPad to support flash, how could they? A working mobile flash implementation does not exist, certainly wasn't even close to existing at the time the iPad was released, and the lack of it doesn't seem to have affected sales. How could you possibly complain that the iPad doesn't support software that doesn't exist? Let's postpone this discussion until when Adobe can show off a flash runtime tha…

> Even if Apple wanted the iPad to support flash, how could they?

Give Adobe the green light to dust off their previous work and complete it. No one will make a serious effort at Flash for iOS before gaining approval from Apple.

Re: Hey Gruber, what about the users?

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Post by jonknee » Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 1:24 PM UTC

pistoriusp wrote: post #2

We must be using different Internet or maybe the website I browse aren't flash heavy. I cannot recall a single instance where I thought... "Damn! If only I had flash on my iPad/ iPhone."

Try browsing for a new car or clothes. For whatever reason both of those verticals are highly dependent on Flash and as such unusable on the iPad. I would have thought luxury brands would have figured out by now that iOS demographics trend affluent and should be valued.

Update: Case in point...

http://hugoboss.com - usable mobile site, but you can't see or buy any of the clothes!

http://bananarepublic.gap.com/ - "Flash required" error message and the same goes for the other Gap brands

http://gucci.com - it's just a black screen

http://dior.com - "Flash required" error

Etc etc, it's nutty. Car sites are a little better and usually break in more subtle ways (videos that don't work is common). Cadillac actually has a nice iPad optimized site, so kudos there.

http://mazdausa.com - redirected to a really low-fi mobile version with much less information. A step up from WAP, not much.

http://bmwusa.com - same as Mazda, a really horrible mobile site that is a column about 200px wide

http://www.miniusa.com/ - "Flash required" error page