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Facebook rolls out job posts to become the blue-collar LinkedIn

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Re: Facebook rolls out job posts to become the blue-collar LinkedIn

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Post by pnathan »

angrymouse wrote: post #98

Having redesigned a hospital's recruitment process to use Facebook advertising for the more "blue collar" type jobs (porters, support workers, estates type jobs as well as nurses) I can really see this working. We got ridiculous traction in the local area. We were reaching people who had never really thought of a career at their local hospital. But a hospital isn't just doctors. Often with Facebook we didn't actually…

I live in a very not-white-collar neighborhood these days and am on in variety of neighborhood e-groups.

Facebook is used, heavily, by the lower class. Very. heavily.

Re: Facebook rolls out job posts to become the blue-collar LinkedIn

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Post by iamdave »

Balgair wrote: post #124
dalbasal wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well... One thing job sites are very hesitant to do is qa. Jobs that aren't jobs. Listings without salary brackets. Where I live (Dublin) most jobs on job boards don't even mention the company name. This is because they're posted by recruiters that way, to avoid being routed around or tipping off the competition. Often the job doesn't exist, they're just resume fishing. LinkedIn has similar issues. I think there's ha…

I've been on the hunt for a while and I'll echo these sentiments. Indeed, Zip, Monster, LinkedIn, most of them are just 'ghost' jobs. Maybe they already have an internal candidate, maybe they have had the posting up for 2 years, maybe they are recruiters that are just fishing idly. There's a million reasons, but they all end up being just a time suck and resume black-hole. Look, I know: network. That's the way to get…

I'm not even lying when I say this: 2 out of my last 3 jobs as a remote site reliability engineer have come from Reddit. They were contract gigs, and you have to do a bit more work vetting folks, but every now and then you'll find a recruiter who actually knows wtf they're doing with tech people.

So yeah, 2/3 in 5 years getting quality remote jobs via reddit of all places.

/r/forhire, /r/devopsjobs, /r/sysadminjobs

Re: Facebook rolls out job posts to become the blue-collar LinkedIn

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Post by astral303 »

Balgair wrote: post #124
dalbasal wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well... One thing job sites are very hesitant to do is qa. Jobs that aren't jobs. Listings without salary brackets. Where I live (Dublin) most jobs on job boards don't even mention the company name. This is because they're posted by recruiters that way, to avoid being routed around or tipping off the competition. Often the job doesn't exist, they're just resume fishing. LinkedIn has similar issues. I think there's ha…

I've been on the hunt for a while and I'll echo these sentiments. Indeed, Zip, Monster, LinkedIn, most of them are just 'ghost' jobs. Maybe they already have an internal candidate, maybe they have had the posting up for 2 years, maybe they are recruiters that are just fishing idly. There's a million reasons, but they all end up being just a time suck and resume black-hole. Look, I know: network. That's the way to get…

One idea: look up the closest somewhat-relevant tech meetup on meetup.com -- it might be worthwhile to travel, even if it's 3 hours away.

Re: Facebook rolls out job posts to become the blue-collar LinkedIn

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Post by csomar »

vinceguidry wrote: post #32

I read a story recently about a guy who, through sheer happenstance, managed to fix his entire life. He had gotten laid off of his job and was getting desperate. He usually picked up the New York Post and applied to the jobs he saw there. This time they were out of the Post, so he grabbed the Times. He saw an ad for a job fair. He went to the fair. The fair was practically empty, but the employers were desperate, the…

I don't know about the real numbers but I did have a similar experience. I needed somebody to do manual labor (yea, I know, I am lazy) and was having a hard time finding any in a high unemployment country.

I told my friend about how there is no single guy despite the unemployment. His reaction was "oh, really? They are in that coffeeshop just around all day waiting for jobs".

Turns out sitting there all day was their way to advertise. You just talk to the waiter about what you need and if it requires some speciality (painting, plumbing, etc...) and he points you right to the few guys who do it.

I'm not sure if Facebook will help them since my country has a low gdp/hdi but this might be otherwise for the developed and more connected world.

Re: Facebook rolls out job posts to become the blue-collar LinkedIn

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Post by vinceguidry »

meritt wrote: post #112
vinceguidry wrote: post #32

I read a story recently about a guy who, through sheer happenstance, managed to fix his entire life. He had gotten laid off of his job and was getting desperate. He usually picked up the New York Post and applied to the jobs he saw there. This time they were out of the Post, so he grabbed the Times. He saw an ad for a job fair. He went to the fair. The fair was practically empty, but the employers were desperate, the…

> If they can get this right, this could end blue-collar unemployment. Blue-collar unemployment isn't due to the lack of a sophisticated job search engine, it's due to not having enough jobs. Those jobs have been lost to process improvement and automation and they're not coming back. They need training and education, not simply a blue-collar LinkedIn.

I don't think there is any reason to not think that there's a lot of inefficiency in the job marketplace that a large tech service that literally their entire market uses couldn't vastly clear up.

What I'm more worried about is that Facebook will drop the ball.

Re: Facebook rolls out job posts to become the blue-collar LinkedIn

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Post by meritt »

vinceguidry wrote: post #136
meritt wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If they can get this right, this could end blue-collar unemployment. Blue-collar unemployment isn't due to the lack of a sophisticated job search engine, it's due to not having enough jobs. Those jobs have been lost to process improvement and automation and they're not coming back. They need training and education, not simply a blue-collar LinkedIn.

I don't think there is any reason to not think that there's a lot of inefficiency in the job marketplace that a large tech service that literally their entire market uses couldn't vastly clear up. What I'm more worried about is that Facebook will drop the ball.

There's definitely inefficiency but I was replying to the notion that this would be a cure for blue-collar unemployment. It's not even going to make a dent.

The article itself shows a lot of screenshots which are specifically service jobs, also referred to as "pink-collar". Those are indeed rapidly on the rise and generally underrepresented in LinkedIn (https://poachedjobs.com is the go-to for food & drink) so I think it could be successful there.

But to suggest Facebook Jobs will be the panacea for blue-collar unemployment is sheer ignorance.

Re: Facebook rolls out job posts to become the blue-collar LinkedIn

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Post by herogreen »

paulie_a wrote: post #31
wickawic wrote: post #7

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I actually like LinkedIn because hey know they are the internet’s Rolodex and (more importantly) people on the site mostly use it that way. If I were pressured by society/peers to be “active” on LinkedIn in the same way we are pressured in an abstract sense to be on Facebook, it would lose all utility for me.

To be fair they became the internet's rolodex by outright stealing your address book and sending fake invites to people on your behalf.

And now they have put a join-wall that is hard to circumvent (erasing cookies does not seem to suffice). It is one of the reasons why I hope to never join Linkedin.

Re: Facebook rolls out job posts to become the blue-collar LinkedIn

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Post by Karunamon »

Slansitartop wrote: post #115
mattmurdog wrote: post #100

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People just need to be smart about making their FB private

People shouldn't bear the burden of trying to prevent others from doing illegal things to them. That's not to say people shouldn't take reasonable precautions, but the fact that people can shouldn't excuse opening up more avenues of abuse.

I was going to say.. just like you should be able to walk anywhere in any large city and feel safe, but the reality simply doesn't work that way. There are too many injustices and not enough time or money to litigate them all for the average person.
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