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Re: Spotify Form F-1

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Post by jonknee »

Analemma_ wrote: post #33
jonknee wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Spotify might overprice it just because, hey, why not, they get more money and without underwriters there are no clients to disappoint Spotify isn't pricing it, they aren't even selling shares. The initial pricing will come directly out of the order book whenever it lists. It's really unusual. Read the plan of distribution section: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1639920/000119312518...

Presumably they'll still have an initial Ask price though? Unless I'm misunderstanding something.

Spotify is not issuing new shares so they will not have any price to set. It's up to the "Registered Shareholders":

> The Registered Shareholders may sell their ordinary shares covered hereby pursuant to brokerage transactions on the NYSE at prevailing market prices at any time after the ordinary shares are listed for trading thereon.

Plus:

> prior to the opening trade, there will not be a price at which underwriters initially sold ordinary shares to the public as there would be in an underwritten initial public offering

As I said, this should be fun to watch!

Re: Spotify Form F-1

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Post by pythonaut_16 »

cronjobma wrote: post #9

It would be super interesting to see if Dropbox and Spotify do well and set an example for profitable tech companies to go public. Companies like Twitter & Snap went public too early IMHO. It’d be a great signal to young entrepreneurs to chase a business model early on.

I think one difference between Dropbox and Spotify and Twitter and Snap is that Dropbox and Spotify sell a desirable, useful product to end users.

In other words, there's a clear function being offered and a clear path to giving them money in exchange for that function.

While both Twitter and Snap are functional, their only real offering is a slight twist on you general social network, and their only way to make money is by advertising to their vast consumer base.

As an investor I'd be far more interested in the revenue streams provided by Dropbox and Spotify.

Re: Spotify Form F-1

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Post by arghwhat »

foepys wrote: post #15
actuator wrote: post #11

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Even I hope so. Discover Weekly and their curated playlists are some of the best I have seen across all music services. Even their cross platform support is the best. Play Music has a terrible app and web UI. Even Apple Music doesn't fare any better.

> Even their cross platform support is the best. Even if it's based on Electron, their Linux desktop client at least exists and this is reason enough for me to keep being a subscriber. The web player is working but is missing features and has some major bugs (e.g., I cannot "dislike" a song on a playlist). My one wish would be for it to get on the same level of playlist management that Amarok, Foobar2000 and similar…

> despite also being Electron-based, is only available on Windows and Mac

Electron does not make cross-compilation easy. It's about as cumbersome as building any other C++ project for multiple platforms.

Re: Spotify Form F-1

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Post by diggan »

foepys wrote: post #15
actuator wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even I hope so. Discover Weekly and their curated playlists are some of the best I have seen across all music services. Even their cross platform support is the best. Play Music has a terrible app and web UI. Even Apple Music doesn't fare any better.

> Even their cross platform support is the best. Even if it's based on Electron, their Linux desktop client at least exists and this is reason enough for me to keep being a subscriber. The web player is working but is missing features and has some major bugs (e.g., I cannot "dislike" a song on a playlist). My one wish would be for it to get on the same level of playlist management that Amarok, Foobar2000 and similar…

Since when is Spotify a Electron application? I recall it having the UI made with JavaScript, HTML and CSS but all the rest is handled with C++. Think they were using Chromium Embedded Framework.

Re: Spotify Form F-1

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Post by shostack »

kaftoy wrote: post #36
protonimitate wrote: post #30

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Same. I'm a Spotify lifer unless something catastrophic happens to their service or media availability. The only alternative service I even debated about was Apple Music when they first announced their streaming service, but there is no clear advantage to their service and I hate the Apple Music UI. I hope they find a way to help a bigger % of the revenue get into the hands of artists and start cutting out the big re…

I really don't want to change this discussion into a "which is the best music streaming service" debate, but I am really curious, why haven't your considered Google Play Music? Interface? Songs count? Price? I am subbed to GPM for a few years now. I did it first because Spotify was and still isn't available in my country, but I don't think I would switch if they become available tomorrow.

I used to use GPM and am now a Spotify customer. For starters, I was annoyed that Google removed some of its playlist interface around the activity-based radios. You'd click an activity and there would be several stations/playlists for different styles of music that were great for that general activity. Loved it. Now I can't find it anywhere.

Second is the interface in general. Spotify realizes that especially on mobile, you have limited screen real estate. I really dislike Google's choice to overly emphasize giant thumbnails of album art I'll never care about or recognize, at the expense of not providing a list view for all levels of the hierarchy. This also leads to situations where artist names are truncated beyond recognition because there's only a few characters space for them.

The GPM app on my Pixel XL also takes seemingly forever to load and play, podcasts often lose their place, etc. Spotify just works.

Re: Spotify Form F-1

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Post by joezydeco »

ishansharma wrote: post #35
protonimitate wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. I'm a Spotify lifer unless something catastrophic happens to their service or media availability. The only alternative service I even debated about was Apple Music when they first announced their streaming service, but there is no clear advantage to their service and I hate the Apple Music UI. I hope they find a way to help a bigger % of the revenue get into the hands of artists and start cutting out the big re…

I was an Apple music since launch(till a month back). But once I tried Spotify and the playlists, I switched instantly. While Apple Music is a competitor, it's not everywhere like Spotify is and their recommendations are horrible. In all time using them, I discovered 2 songs that I liked. With 4 weeks on Spotify, I'm already at 25!

I've switched to an Amazon ecosystem (dot, fireTv, etc) and Spotify just works seamlessly between them all. I love it.

I have to wonder how many users Spotify picked up when Apple blew the christmas HomePod release and Amazon flushed out Alexa-enabled devices at heavy discounts.

Re: Spotify Form F-1

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Post by protonimitate »

kaftoy wrote: post #36
protonimitate wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. I'm a Spotify lifer unless something catastrophic happens to their service or media availability. The only alternative service I even debated about was Apple Music when they first announced their streaming service, but there is no clear advantage to their service and I hate the Apple Music UI. I hope they find a way to help a bigger % of the revenue get into the hands of artists and start cutting out the big re…

I really don't want to change this discussion into a "which is the best music streaming service" debate, but I am really curious, why haven't your considered Google Play Music? Interface? Songs count? Price? I am subbed to GPM for a few years now. I did it first because Spotify was and still isn't available in my country, but I don't think I would switch if they become available tomorrow.

hmmm honestly it is just a case of "I used spotify first". If spotify hadn't been my first choice I probably would have gravitated to GPM instead. At this point I don't want to sacrifice any more of my life to Google, so if I had to switch it would probably be to nothing.

Re: Spotify Form F-1

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Post by juicy-fruit »

steve-benjamins wrote: post #4

I really hope Spotify succeeds. I've mentioned this before on Hacker News, but as an artist, the algorithmic playlists are amazing. On a good week I get ~4,000 new listeners. It's incredible. Discovery Weekly drives the most but Release Radar and Radio also send a good chunk. Apple Music on the hand hasn't even verified my artist profile— which I need in order to view analytics. So I don't even know if people listen…

I've had Spotify before and switched to Apple Music because of the student pricing. When I had Spotify, I would discover new music and new artists all the time. Since getting Apple Music, I really haven't discovered anyone new.

Although I've graduated, Apple seems to think I'm still in school and is still only charging me $5/month. The moment that ends, I'm switching to Spotify. Also, the Apple Music app on iOS is horrible. Spotify's app is so much better.

Re: Spotify Form F-1

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Post by DennisAleynikov »

juicy-fruit wrote: post #49
steve-benjamins wrote: post #4

I really hope Spotify succeeds. I've mentioned this before on Hacker News, but as an artist, the algorithmic playlists are amazing. On a good week I get ~4,000 new listeners. It's incredible. Discovery Weekly drives the most but Release Radar and Radio also send a good chunk. Apple Music on the hand hasn't even verified my artist profile— which I need in order to view analytics. So I don't even know if people listen…

I've had Spotify before and switched to Apple Music because of the student pricing. When I had Spotify, I would discover new music and new artists all the time. Since getting Apple Music, I really haven't discovered anyone new. Although I've graduated, Apple seems to think I'm still in school and is still only charging me $5/month. The moment that ends, I'm switching to Spotify. Also, the Apple Music app on iOS is ho…

You might have already known this but Spotify had the same $5/mo student discount but they may be more diligent about checking your enrollment. Def loved the 5 dollar plan :)
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