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Re: Show HN: Read ArXiv Papers on Semantic Scholar as Responsive HTML Documents

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Post by thecodeviking »

CardenB wrote: post #6

In what ways is this different from arxiv-vanity? (Just append "-vanity" to "arxiv" in any arxiv link to get a rich html version)

It's not that different, at the moment. The only real difference is that we're pre-computing the HTML so it's faster (ArXiv Vanity runs at request time).

We've talked a lot with the ArXiv Vanity team. If all goes well and our users love the feature, we have an opportunity to support (and contribute to) to their efforts at improving Engrafo and LaTeXML and maintain the front-end facing portion of the system. That way they don't have to worry about hosting / providing a functioning front-end, which we're happy to foot the bill for (and maintain)!

Re: Show HN: Read ArXiv Papers on Semantic Scholar as Responsive HTML Documents

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Post by thecodeviking »

undfined wrote: post #9
david2016 wrote: post #7

I would recommend that rather than copying "arXiv-Vanity", your team should focus on improving and contributing to "Engrafo" since there are many errors in the HTML conversion. And, leave everything at "arXiv-Vanity" since there is no point of having 2 different places doing the same exact thing.

We plan to do both. We want to give back to Engrafo where it makes sense, but we also have a unique opportunity given our other semantic features along with the paper metadata from our corpus to build upon this experience. This release is an MVP reading experience, but in the future we plan to add a number of things like: user highlighting, direct linking to authors and citations, and collaborative commenting.

+1 to what @undefined said.

If all goes well, we hope to act as a front-facing host for the Engrafo engine. That'll enable the ArXiv Vanity team to focus their efforts on improving the conversion process (which is what they'd like to focus on) while we can handle the logistics of serving this up to users (as quickly as possible).

I'm really excited about the opportunity to collaborate and support the ArXiv Vanity / Engrafo team!

Re: Show HN: Read ArXiv Papers on Semantic Scholar as Responsive HTML Documents

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Post by detaro »

undfined wrote: post #8
ivansavz wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feature idea 1: perhaps you could make references section in the bottom render links, at least for references that provide and arXiv identifier. Feature idea 2: better/shorter URL structure, the current URL https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/{title}-{authors}/{uui... ends up quite long and unreadable (may be good for SEO though). If you're rendering mostly arXiv papers you could setup a short URL scheme that mirro…

(I also work on the Semantic Scholar team) 1. Totally agree. We know how we can / will do this and plan to do so given enough interest in the MVP reading experience. 2. The url structure is indeed for SEO purposes. (We get a large majority of users discovering our paper pages through organic search)

The proposed shorter format could maybe be a redirect then? Quickly being able to turn one link into the other would be quite useful.

Re: Show HN: Read ArXiv Papers on Semantic Scholar as Responsive HTML Documents

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Post by ktpsns »

thecodeviking wrote: post #10
ktpsns wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main workhorse is https://dlmf.nist.gov/LaTeXML/ as you can find once you reach https://github.com/arxiv-vanity/engrafo . LaTeXML converts tex to XML by running latex ("only latex can parse latex") and working on the DVI output. But nevertheless this is a hard job so I will loook into the engrafo code soon because I want to apply this to a book we have written.

Yup, @kpsns nailed it. LaTeXML does the heavy lifting in converting TeX to XML. From there some post processing does the job of converting it to a nice responsive template (that's done by Engrafo / the ArXiv Vanity team). We love OSS at AI2, and are looking to collaborate with the Engrafo / ArXiv Vanity team as we expand the functionality.

So I digged into the code (engrafo repository) and was quite surprised that -- contrary to the suggestive title -- the method inherits all the problems LaTeXML already has. This is the fact that (for instance compared to the TeXLive distribution), tons of widespread sty files miss a LaTeXML integration and thus the conversion fails for a wide range of papers. Converting a TeX document to XML with LaTeXML really requires a lot of debugging and ideally starting from a plain LaTeX paper/book and compiling with pdflatex and latexml at the same time, making sure nothing breaks.

Re: Show HN: Read ArXiv Papers on Semantic Scholar as Responsive HTML Documents

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Post by thecodeviking »

detaro wrote: post #13
undfined wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I also work on the Semantic Scholar team) 1. Totally agree. We know how we can / will do this and plan to do so given enough interest in the MVP reading experience. 2. The url structure is indeed for SEO purposes. (We get a large majority of users discovering our paper pages through organic search)

The proposed shorter format could maybe be a redirect then? Quickly being able to turn one link into the other would be quite useful.

Definitely, thanks!

Re: Show HN: Read ArXiv Papers on Semantic Scholar as Responsive HTML Documents

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Post by thecodeviking »

ktpsns wrote: post #14
thecodeviking wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, @kpsns nailed it. LaTeXML does the heavy lifting in converting TeX to XML. From there some post processing does the job of converting it to a nice responsive template (that's done by Engrafo / the ArXiv Vanity team). We love OSS at AI2, and are looking to collaborate with the Engrafo / ArXiv Vanity team as we expand the functionality.

So I digged into the code (engrafo repository) and was quite surprised that -- contrary to the suggestive title -- the method inherits all the problems LaTeXML already has. This is the fact that (for instance compared to the TeXLive distribution), tons of widespread sty files miss a LaTeXML integration and thus the conversion fails for a wide range of papers. Converting a TeX document to XML with LaTeXML really requi…

Yea, it's tough work. We're hoping to invest more in the conversion library (and support the Engrafo's team to do so).

It's going to take a lot of time and elbow grease to get it to where it needs to be!

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