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Re: Facebook rolls out job posts to become the blue-collar LinkedIn

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Post by Slansitartop »

evanlivingston wrote: post #90
Slansitartop wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Divisive between whom? Workers themselves or workers and managers/owners? I would suggest not discussing unionization with your manager like you would with a peer-worker.

Sure, I agree with your implication there, but you never know what peer-worker has goals of becoming your manager and in the case of labor organization, might benefit from informing mangers/owners of peer-worker organization. What are we left to do then? The feelings underlying my comments here are that I think it's important to not shy away from divisive topics in the workplace. OpSec only goes so far. At some point…

> The feelings underlying my comments here are that I think it's important to not shy away from divisive topics in the workplace.

I agree conditionally, since there isn't one kind of "divisive" topic. Some kinds should be avoided, which are the ones people usually are talking about when they say politics should be avoided the workplace. The main thing that comes from them are disruption, polarization, and nasty feelings. Other kinds, like ones that are "divisive" between workers and owners, should be tolerated or even encouraged, since they are appropriate to the context and can lead to genuine improvement within it.

Re: Facebook rolls out job posts to become the blue-collar LinkedIn

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Post by meritt »

vinceguidry wrote: post #32

I read a story recently about a guy who, through sheer happenstance, managed to fix his entire life. He had gotten laid off of his job and was getting desperate. He usually picked up the New York Post and applied to the jobs he saw there. This time they were out of the Post, so he grabbed the Times. He saw an ad for a job fair. He went to the fair. The fair was practically empty, but the employers were desperate, the…

> If they can get this right, this could end blue-collar unemployment.

Blue-collar unemployment isn't due to the lack of a sophisticated job search engine, it's due to not having enough jobs. Those jobs have been lost to process improvement and automation and they're not coming back.

They need training and education, not simply a blue-collar LinkedIn.

Re: Facebook rolls out job posts to become the blue-collar LinkedIn

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Post by vanadium »

paulie_a wrote: post #28
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #16

A few months ago I turned off Facebook notifications on my phone. Then I turned off Messenger notifications. I recently deleted the Facebook app. A month ago, the Messenger app moved to page two. Two weeks ago I deleted both from my phone (still have WhatsApp) and force myself to log out when I visit on my laptop. I'm not sure this is the level of disconnection I'll remain at. (Maybe only in election years.) I do thi…

Facebook seems to have adopted the dark pattern of messenger notifications of "1" even after I have deleted all chats. Every time I open the facebook app I am alerted of a new message. I've gone so far as to file a report with facebook, but have not heard back. I assume this behavior is intentional at this point.

I just noticed this myself in the past week.

Re: Facebook rolls out job posts to become the blue-collar LinkedIn

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Post by snerbles »

foolfoolz wrote: post #92
deftnerd wrote: post #14

No... Just no! Facebook crawls into every portion of our lives. I killed my account because of its insidious feature creep. You don't put up photos of yourself in a swimsuit at work and would sue any workplace that demanded that you show them those pictures. You shouldn't bring your political beliefs into work, and would be uncomfortable if your boss cornered you and demanded to know how you felt about the president…

linked in is basically a separate facebook account with less photos and personal details. just make a new fb account for jobs with less photos and personal details the social network can only share as much as you give it, its up to you to keep that content personal and offline. i’m not a huge fan of this concept that people give tons of info to these personal dat selling websites and shouldn’t be responsible for it,…

> the social network can only share as much as you give it

You and your "friends".

Re: Facebook rolls out job posts to become the blue-collar LinkedIn

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Post by Slansitartop »

mattmurdog wrote: post #100
jurassic wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook is chock full of information that is illegal to ask about in job applications like marital and family status, sexual orientation, age, religion, etc. If this feature saw much adoption it seems like it would only result in greater discrimination. Beyond that, this move is surprising to me because we've been seeing a lot of stories lately about Facebook struggling to get people to post original content after l…

People just need to be smart about making their FB private

People shouldn't bear the burden of trying to prevent others from doing illegal things to them.

That's not to say people shouldn't take reasonable precautions, but the fact that people can shouldn't excuse opening up more avenues of abuse.

Re: Facebook rolls out job posts to become the blue-collar LinkedIn

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Post by znpy »

Job application via Facebook? No way I'm going down that route.

By the way... It seems to me that "youngsters" are slowly realizing that heavy social media (a-la Facebook, that wants to know everything about you and wants to follow every aspect of your life, intruding wherever possible) is higly toxic, and it's trying to expand to other "market areas".

Re: Facebook rolls out job posts to become the blue-collar LinkedIn

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Post by chrisseaton »

vanadium wrote: post #110
chrisseaton wrote: post #86

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Citation needed? That doesn’t make any sense in this context. It’s a primary source. They know what people search for in their own site. That’s like me saying I found my job using a newspaper and you saying citation needed. I just told you what I know to be true. Do you go around snapping ‘citation needed’ at anyone who tells you anything about their business? Madness.

Respectfully no, but it would be relevant to understand the methodology of how they were able to discern a 1-in-4 statistic which seems, on its face at least, questionable at best. Maybe they're right and the methodology might be sound, but it doesn't change my perspective without that backing information to contextualize it. A "primary source" also isn't in any way immune to rational inquiry. I don't mean for this p…

It sounds like you just want more information on how they determined this. That's not what 'citation' means.

A citation is a reference to a document where information came from in the first place. What document are you expecting to be cited here? A citation for some internal Facebook email where a manager asked for a stat and the data guys responded with a number? How's that going to help you if it's just the same number as in here?

If I tell you I saw a cat in my garden, and you demand 'citation needed', what do you want me to cough up? There's no document to cite. That's just me telling you what I saw.

Re: Facebook rolls out job posts to become the blue-collar LinkedIn

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Post by [deleted] »

vanadium wrote: post #110
chrisseaton wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation needed? That doesn’t make any sense in this context. It’s a primary source. They know what people search for in their own site. That’s like me saying I found my job using a newspaper and you saying citation needed. I just told you what I know to be true. Do you go around snapping ‘citation needed’ at anyone who tells you anything about their business? Madness.

Respectfully no, but it would be relevant to understand the methodology of how they were able to discern a 1-in-4 statistic which seems, on its face at least, questionable at best. Maybe they're right and the methodology might be sound, but it doesn't change my perspective without that backing information to contextualize it. A "primary source" also isn't in any way immune to rational inquiry. I don't mean for this p…

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Re: Facebook rolls out job posts to become the blue-collar LinkedIn

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Post by vanadium »

chrisseaton wrote: post #117
vanadium wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Respectfully no, but it would be relevant to understand the methodology of how they were able to discern a 1-in-4 statistic which seems, on its face at least, questionable at best. Maybe they're right and the methodology might be sound, but it doesn't change my perspective without that backing information to contextualize it. A "primary source" also isn't in any way immune to rational inquiry. I don't mean for this p…

It sounds like you just want more information on how they determined this. That's not what 'citation' means. A citation is a reference to a document where information came from in the first place. What document are you expecting to be cited here? A citation for some internal Facebook email where a manager asked for a stat and the data guys responded with a number? How's that going to help you if it's just the same nu…

It's as simple as citing a document that lays out how they arrived at this statistic. With all due respect, perhaps it's pleading for an ideal here, but it still remains a questionable statistic in my opinion.

I don't understand why questioning a statistic, or especially my use of the word "citation", is controversial.

Re: Facebook rolls out job posts to become the blue-collar LinkedIn

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Post by tammer »

scrumper wrote: post #44
vinceguidry wrote: post #32

I read a story recently about a guy who, through sheer happenstance, managed to fix his entire life. He had gotten laid off of his job and was getting desperate. He usually picked up the New York Post and applied to the jobs he saw there. This time they were out of the Post, so he grabbed the Times. He saw an ad for a job fair. He went to the fair. The fair was practically empty, but the employers were desperate, the…

I'll piggyback on your comment as my sentiment is the same. This is far from the worst thing Facebook has done. It seems to address an unmet need. Maybe it will end up creepy and full of unforeseen consequences (like everything else FB) if nearly all non-office job seeking moves to FB, but for now it's helping people. (And also, Striper Sniper Tackle is a fabulous name for a fishing store.)

Where Facebook overlaps with the real world it is quite a strong service. What limits them from extending further is that their revenue is dependent on competing with time spent offline.
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