Earlier quoted context omitted.
So Israel is like a high tech Guantanamo where our government goes when those pesky laws get in the way.
James Mickens said, “YOU’RE STILL GONNA BE MOSSAD’ED UPON”
The Feds Can Now Probably Unlock Every iPhone Model
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
According to Businessweek [1] in 2012, the Israeli defence budget was approx. $15 billion per year and US military aid was $3.07 billion per year. [1] http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-much-america-really...
For some reason, the Powers that Be at YCombinator allow unabated criticism of Israel, even if it's based on completely made-up facts.
get over it? it isn't their job to 1. have encyclopedic knowledge of a small and belligerent country and then 2. enforce others to the same standard. no country gets that treatment here.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
You left out why that's different from Guantanamo, and instead just defended it generally.
Presumably guelo thinks Guantanamo permits the US to do things that would be illegal here. But breaking an iPhone pursuant to a warrant wouldn’t be. Having a warrant (or a suspect in custody) permits the government, by design, to do lots of things that would otherwise be illegal. The government doesn’t need to ship safes to Israel to avoid violating safe cracking laws when searching pursuant to a warrant.
>implying the government asks for a warrant for many of their invasive activities
they don't play by their own set of rules.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
So the tinfoil hat theory here is that Apple itself leaks the cracking tech to Cellobrite to ease the fed pressure, and keep reputation intact? Sorry, I don't buy it.
No one at Apple would share source code? You never heard of iBoot.
That's not really the strongest interpretation of GP's statement. It wasn't implying that nobody would ever share source code for any reason, but that the company would deliberately decide to share source code in order to obtain fly-by-night compliance with government requests while maintaining its public image.
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or they just do parallel construction. They gather the evidence illegally, and the conjure up a legal means to re-find the evidence they already know exists.
What here is illegally gathered?
let's say you need a warrant to get X.
you use illegal methods to get X without a warrant. but you can't use that information legally. so you use your knowledge of X to find a legal way of learning X, after the fact.
then you go to the courts saying you found X the legal way.
but you didn't.
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
According to Businessweek [1] in 2012, the Israeli defence budget was approx. $15 billion per year and US military aid was $3.07 billion per year. [1] http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-much-america-really...
For some reason, the Powers that Be at YCombinator allow unabated criticism of Israel, even if it's based on completely made-up facts.
> unabated criticism of Israel, even if it's based on completely made-up facts.
How is it criticism? Which facts were made up?
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
No? The law doesn’t prevent the government from searching your property in a wide range of circumstances: e.g. with a warrant, pursuant to a valid arrest, etc. That’s the whole idea of warrants: so there is a controlled way to search private property. The government goes to Israel to defeat technological roadblocks to doing what it’s allowed to do under the law. This technology isn’t being used to break into phones a…
How do you know what it's being used for?
The iPhone hacks by their nature require having custody of the physical cell phone for an extended period of time. As far as I know, the government isn’t stealing peoples iPhones to search them.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Presumably guelo thinks Guantanamo permits the US to do things that would be illegal here. But breaking an iPhone pursuant to a warrant wouldn’t be. Having a warrant (or a suspect in custody) permits the government, by design, to do lots of things that would otherwise be illegal. The government doesn’t need to ship safes to Israel to avoid violating safe cracking laws when searching pursuant to a warrant.
>implying the government asks for a warrant for many of their invasive activities they don't play by their own set of rules.
Ah yes, the old “government does X, so i’m going to speculate it also does Y, and it’s up to you to prove otherwise” trick. Arguing on the Internet is so much fun when we get to just make things up.
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
So Israel is like a high tech Guantanamo where our government goes when those pesky laws get in the way.
No? The law doesn’t prevent the government from searching your property in a wide range of circumstances: e.g. with a warrant, pursuant to a valid arrest, etc. That’s the whole idea of warrants: so there is a controlled way to search private property. The government goes to Israel to defeat technological roadblocks to doing what it’s allowed to do under the law. This technology isn’t being used to break into phones a…
But under the DMCA it doesn't matter if the thing you are trying to break the protection for is something you are allowed to do, just the act of breaking the protection is illegal.
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#130So they get owned earlier this month, and then a fluff piece appears later this month that doesn't mention any of the findings even tho it calls out the dangers of hoarding vulns.
This is a planted marketing/PR piece.