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Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by narrator » Wed, Feb 28, 2018, 1:05 PM UTC

simias wrote: post #46

Kequc wrote: post #29

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Why is this a bad thing, let people post what they want to. Also if someone says YouTube is censoring them why wouldn't you believe it?

Regardless of your opinions on the subject it's a bad thing for the platform. If 90% of the content is highly divisive then it's going to "taint" STEEM by association, people will assume that if you're posting there it's because you adhere to that point of view. Good luck becoming a Youtube-like general purpose video host in these conditions. See 8chan for instance: I really like the blend of reddit's flexibility (wh…

I looked around d.tube. It's mostly crypto related content. There's also a difference between racist content and conspiracy content. Conspiracy content, which has been growing in popularity and around since the Kennedy assassination, has only recently started getting thrown off of youtube and has started to draw a lot of people to new platforms.

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by hobofan » Wed, Feb 28, 2018, 1:32 PM UTC

diggan wrote: post #83

hobofan wrote: post #43

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Yup, DTube, like most projects related to STEEM still have a high degree of centralization. This reddit comment gives a good evaluation of DTube: https://www.reddit.com/r/dtube/comments/7ysdn1/how_distribut... So most parts of it could at their core be used in a distributed fashion, but are actually accessed via CDNs. E.g. you could use ipfs-companion[0] to alter all instances of ipfs.io URLs to point to a local IPFS…

> I did just that and streamed a video on DTube via a local IPFS daemon and the result was pretty underwhelming, since it took quite some time for the video to load, but I don't dare to evaluate why that is so. After that it does have the nice benefit though that the same video streams instantly on any other machine in my home network! Could be that you just started the IPFS node and it didn't really have any time ye…

No I don't think that was it. I had ~700 peers connected. I guess due to DTube using CDNs in front of IPFS most content is probably only available from very few actual nodes.

PS: Keep up the great work on IPFS!

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by hobofan » Wed, Feb 28, 2018, 1:34 PM UTC

TekMol wrote: post #77

hobofan wrote: post #68

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TBH, I'm not sure how big of a future video "platforms" will even have. With IPFS+Filecoin and a few other parts, it might become quite trivial to host your own video content. With that the focus could possibly shift to platforms like Patreon, and if the payment parts of that can be commoditized (via things like Stellar and SatoshiPay), maybe even back to the good old website. One can only dream...

With IPFS+Filecoin and a few other parts, it might become quite trivial to host your own video content. Using Filecoin means you are not hosting it yourself.

Oh, of course, my bad. I mean't to express "have your content hosted without a central party gatekeeping party".

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by indescions_2018 » Wed, Feb 28, 2018, 1:40 PM UTC

synctext wrote: post #90

mailshanx wrote: post #73

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Is there a link to your project?

https://github.com/Tribler/tribler/wiki "Tribler: an attack-resilient micro-economy for media", first code April 2005

Think there would be substantial interest in that "Blockchain Engineering" Masters program if you put it online ;)

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by notheguyouthink » Wed, Feb 28, 2018, 1:44 PM UTC

StreamBright wrote: post #78

TekMol wrote: post #36

Ok, so I'm looking at a website that tells me it's decentralized. But from all I can tell this is just a good old website. Somebody has control over the domain name. Points it to servers of his choice. And the servers deliver content of his choice. What's decentralized about it?

This is exactly right. Most of the people who I asked the same question does not even understand the implication using any DNS names. I think decentralized if the new buzzword that everybody is throwing around especially crypto guys for no good reason.

Fwiw, in a hypothetical design, you could use DNS as a means to delivery for those who are not running IPFS. It would be fully decentralized via IPFS (ignoring any flaws there), but still be centralized for adoption and those not needing decentralization.

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by igorkraw » Wed, Feb 28, 2018, 1:49 PM UTC

synctext wrote: post #90

mailshanx wrote: post #73

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Is there a link to your project?

https://github.com/Tribler/tribler/wiki "Tribler: an attack-resilient micro-economy for media", first code April 2005

Very neat project. Since you are one of the contributors, I'd like to ask a philosophical question:

The wiki has this quote (emphasis mine)

>Tribler is a Bittorrent-compatible alternative to Youtube. It is designed to protect your privacy, build a web-of-trust, be attack-resilient, and reward content creators directly. We are building a micro-economy without banks, without advertisers, and without any government

I see this sentiment in almost all blockchain/crypto circles, including a lot of government funded research groups.

1.) How does that get unified in the mind of contributors? How does working to abolish the very thing that enables you to do your research without having to make bank doing it 2.) It seem to me that in general people want government. See Thomas Hobbes et.al. for studies in academia, or whichever region descended into anarchy most recently. Whenever things are "improving" you see government emerging. Why is so much rhetoric directed against government, when really what everyone is talking about is abusive government?( Which is a much messier problem to even define, but seem to me to be ultimately the correct problem people are trying to solve. That might be be done through building decentralized government -I think so -, but there are cases where centralization makes sense.)

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by tw1010 » Wed, Feb 28, 2018, 1:50 PM UTC

Cool project! But I have a hard time shaking the feeling that a lot of the content and comments are bots or are paid for.

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by Bombthecat » Wed, Feb 28, 2018, 2:02 PM UTC

hobofan wrote: post #92

diggan wrote: post #83

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> I did just that and streamed a video on DTube via a local IPFS daemon and the result was pretty underwhelming, since it took quite some time for the video to load, but I don't dare to evaluate why that is so. After that it does have the nice benefit though that the same video streams instantly on any other machine in my home network! Could be that you just started the IPFS node and it didn't really have any time ye…

No I don't think that was it. I had ~700 peers connected. I guess due to DTube using CDNs in front of IPFS most content is probably only available from very few actual nodes. PS: Keep up the great work on IPFS!

My guess would be that distributed internet will never work.

Sure for popular content like Google.com. or the top 1000 of YouTube will work. But the rest will always crawl to a stand still, since the content will always be on a far away or slow node...

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by prophesi » Wed, Feb 28, 2018, 2:04 PM UTC

Bombthecat wrote: post #98

hobofan wrote: post #92

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No I don't think that was it. I had ~700 peers connected. I guess due to DTube using CDNs in front of IPFS most content is probably only available from very few actual nodes. PS: Keep up the great work on IPFS!

My guess would be that distributed internet will never work. Sure for popular content like Google.com. or the top 1000 of YouTube will work. But the rest will always crawl to a stand still, since the content will always be on a far away or slow node...

It just needs an incentive to have others host your content, AKA FileCoin. You've always gotta pay a little bit to keep your sites up.

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by ataturk » Wed, Feb 28, 2018, 2:07 PM UTC

Bombthecat wrote: post #98

hobofan wrote: post #92

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No I don't think that was it. I had ~700 peers connected. I guess due to DTube using CDNs in front of IPFS most content is probably only available from very few actual nodes. PS: Keep up the great work on IPFS!

My guess would be that distributed internet will never work. Sure for popular content like Google.com. or the top 1000 of YouTube will work. But the rest will always crawl to a stand still, since the content will always be on a far away or slow node...

Well it better because at the rate we're going we're looking at mass censorship and thought control via the few "platforms" out there. We'll be passing thumb drives around before this is over.