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Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by weego »

slimshady94 wrote: post #20
stctgion wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With a new monetised platform, with money being incredibly obvious on the UI, the incentive is pretty high to just steal popular content from YouTube and repost it. How do they ensure original content or ownership?

Automated AI algorithms, some day.

how is an "AI algorithm" going to figure out a newly uploaded video is a dupe of a Youtube video that is in the process of trending? How would you effectively contentID every single popular video on Youtube and run it against a fully distributed video platform? Just magical AI things I guess?

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by yAnonymous »

stctgion wrote: post #14
mtgx wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's how much they've earned for that particular video so far. I've been saying it for a while here but nobody seemed to listen. d.tube is way better for smaller creators than YouTube is right now, and with a tiny fraction of YouTube's audience. Plus, YouTube is only going to get worse for small creators, as Google tries to cater more and more to the big companies and punish the creators for "advertiser-offensive con…

With a new monetised platform, with money being incredibly obvious on the UI, the incentive is pretty high to just steal popular content from YouTube and repost it. How do they ensure original content or ownership?

If Facebook doesn't care about enforcing copyright, why should such a small website?

That really seems like an argument that is made only to hurt startups.

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by hobofan »

TekMol wrote: post #36

Ok, so I'm looking at a website that tells me it's decentralized. But from all I can tell this is just a good old website. Somebody has control over the domain name. Points it to servers of his choice. And the servers deliver content of his choice. What's decentralized about it?

Yup, DTube, like most projects related to STEEM still have a high degree of centralization. This reddit comment gives a good evaluation of DTube: https://www.reddit.com/r/dtube/comments/7ysdn1/how_distribut...

So most parts of it could at their core be used in a distributed fashion, but are actually accessed via CDNs. E.g. you could use ipfs-companion[0] to alter all instances of ipfs.io URLs to point to a local IPFS daemon that is connected to the IPFS network in a distributed fashion.

I did just that and streamed a video on DTube via a local IPFS daemon and the result was pretty underwhelming, since it took quite some time for the video to load, but I don't dare to evaluate why that is so. After that it does have the nice benefit though that the same video streams instantly on any other machine in my home network!

In a transitional phase to a distributed web I'd expect a lot of websites to employ a similar approach of using CDNs at first (since not everybode has local nodes running), but its sad to see that some of the flagship projects like DTube aren't even open source (and I have no idea if they ever plan to be) and/or have a distributed version available.

[0]: https://github.com/ipfs-shipyard/ipfs-companion

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by kaolti »

RandomInteger4 wrote: post #12

Steem looked like an interesting idea, but your content lives and dies with the platform's whales, which are either insiders or a few people who believe in the platform. If the whales don't interact with your content, you're not likely to get much revenue. You voting power -- the amount you contribute to content you interact with -- is directly tied to your steem power, so unless you put money into the platform or ma…

Alternatively, you can regularly post content you are passionate about and over time build a community of people who are genuinely interested in what you have to say and will gladly support you.

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by simias »

Kequc wrote: post #29
jwildeboer wrote: post #28

Interesting idea, but unfortunately (and as expected) full of antisemitic and „new world order“ conspiracy stuff by people that claim YouTube is censoring them.

Why is this a bad thing, let people post what they want to. Also if someone says YouTube is censoring them why wouldn't you believe it?

Regardless of your opinions on the subject it's a bad thing for the platform. If 90% of the content is highly divisive then it's going to "taint" STEEM by association, people will assume that if you're posting there it's because you adhere to that point of view. Good luck becoming a Youtube-like general purpose video host in these conditions.

See 8chan for instance: I really like the blend of reddit's flexibility (where anybody can create their own board) coupled with 4chan-style anonymity and lack of karma/upvotes etc...

Unfortunately 8chan became the destination for the generally super far-right 4channers who were too extreme even by 4chan standards. It's like 4chan's 4chan if you will. With such a reputation good luck convincing people to join your knitting-themed board on 8chan.

Similarly, Dailymotion is reputed for porn/NSFW/copyrighted content not available on Youtube and Voat is like 8chan but for redditors.

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by akerro »

simias wrote: post #46
Kequc wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this a bad thing, let people post what they want to. Also if someone says YouTube is censoring them why wouldn't you believe it?

Regardless of your opinions on the subject it's a bad thing for the platform. If 90% of the content is highly divisive then it's going to "taint" STEEM by association, people will assume that if you're posting there it's because you adhere to that point of view. Good luck becoming a Youtube-like general purpose video host in these conditions. See 8chan for instance: I really like the blend of reddit's flexibility (wh…

Just start submitting videos of youtube/reddit standards to regulate the quality of content.

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by hobofan »

viraptor wrote: post #35
Kequc wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this a bad thing, let people post what they want to. Also if someone says YouTube is censoring them why wouldn't you believe it?

It's likely to forever remain a niche for that kind of content only. What reasonable person would say: "I know, I'll host my video on that website which opens with a list of conspiracy videos and has antisemitism promoted in the sidebar next to my content/face." (And even more - which popular company would do that?)

If there are enough benefits to the platform and semi-popular (likeable) Youtubers switch to it, the problem should resolve itself after a few days. Luckily antisemites etc. are a minority of the population and can be easily outnumbered.

Re: Dtube – A decentralized video platform using STEEM and IPFS

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Post by mschuster91 »

viraptor wrote: post #35
Kequc wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this a bad thing, let people post what they want to. Also if someone says YouTube is censoring them why wouldn't you believe it?

It's likely to forever remain a niche for that kind of content only. What reasonable person would say: "I know, I'll host my video on that website which opens with a list of conspiracy videos and has antisemitism promoted in the sidebar next to my content/face." (And even more - which popular company would do that?)

> What reasonable person would say: "I know, I'll host my video on that website which opens with a list of conspiracy videos and has antisemitism promoted in the sidebar next to my content/face."

Well people still advertise on Reddit next to T_D and other nutjob subreddits. Unfortunately.

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