The Impact of Zoning on Housing Affordability (2002)

Post by nolliebs180 » Wed, Feb 28, 2018, 1:32 AM UTC

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Every time I see this posted, I ask about noise. Dense housing near rapid-transit, particularly rail, has led to lots of people getting exposed to massive volumes of noise, even at night. This is the type of long-term negative that get people to move out to the suburbs (e.g. self-defeating the policy) or call for more construction such as sound walls. You can see Reno for a perfect example of this. Everyone moved out…

> inherent problem of rapid-transit noise What inherent problem? Rapid transit is certainly quieter than vehicle traffic. Noise pollution comes from sirens and heavy trucking, not public transportation.

Post by gnarcoregrizz » Wed, Feb 28, 2018, 1:38 AM UTC

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Since that's a marketing page for SB827, can someone explain to me how it doesn't ultimately create an incentive against public transit? All it would take to get around the zoning override would be to remove transit... I assume removing a bus stop (or even an entire route) is trivial. I could definitely foresee more homeowners blocking development of new routes/stations. With those considerations, it's possible we co…

> I could definitely foresee more homeowners blocking development of new routes/stations. Say, you own a piece of land with a house near public transit. Since the local township can no longer forbid building an apartment building on your land, you can probably sell your land to a developer for $$$$, so you make much more money than selling just a single house. And because you didn't want to live near public transit,…

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Feb 28, 2018, 1:41 AM UTC

gnarcoregrizz wrote: post #24

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> I could definitely foresee more homeowners blocking development of new routes/stations. Say, you own a piece of land with a house near public transit. Since the local township can no longer forbid building an apartment building on your land, you can probably sell your land to a developer for $$$$, so you make much more money than selling just a single house. And because you didn't want to live near public transit,…

Good point. I didn't consider the fact that land zoned for higher density would fetch more money. From that perspective, if your goal is to increase the monetary value of your investment, it seems like a win

Post by gnarcoregrizz » Wed, Feb 28, 2018, 1:46 AM UTC

tytytytytytytyt wrote: post #18

gnarcoregrizz wrote: post #6

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Since that's a marketing page for SB827, can someone explain to me how it doesn't ultimately create an incentive against public transit? All it would take to get around the zoning override would be to remove transit... I assume removing a bus stop (or even an entire route) is trivial. I could definitely foresee more homeowners blocking development of new routes/stations. With those considerations, it's possible we co…

> Since that's a marketing page for SB827, can someone explain to me how it doesn't ultimately create an incentive against public transit? How does building high density housing near public transportation incentivize people to not use that public transportation?

Post by nerfhammer » Wed, Feb 28, 2018, 1:58 AM UTC

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I'd suggest that you research why it's necessary for companies to cram so much demand for housing in a few areas. It's seems absurd in this day and age that we're still concentrating business to such an extent in places like the NY Metro Area and the Bay Area. IBM in the olden times leveraged locating facilities in nowheresville as a competitive advantage. I'm surprised it isn't catching on now that engineers are bei…

Because there are numerous network effects* for specialized concentration of labor. *Network effects are unfortunately only understood as a handwavey buzzphrase in tech, but they have been researched and defined in extreme detail by economists. Think non-ergodic math.