Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

lao.ca.gov

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

31–40 of 230 posts

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

#31

Post by dragonwriter »

djrogers wrote: post #10

Interesting data, but: "The graph below shows data from the Internal Revenue Service on the movement of income tax filers in and out of California since 1990. (Data on tax filers does not cover the entire population because some people do not earn enough income to necessitate filing taxes.)" It also doesn't cover populations who don't pay taxes, and who get paid under the table.

The graph introduced with that paragraph comes from IRS data, the total population estimate (and the other material that is not that graph) is derived from the American Community Survey (which is not restricted to tax filers.)

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

#32

Post by [deleted] »

djrogers wrote: post #10

Interesting data, but: "The graph below shows data from the Internal Revenue Service on the movement of income tax filers in and out of California since 1990. (Data on tax filers does not cover the entire population because some people do not earn enough income to necessitate filing taxes.)" It also doesn't cover populations who don't pay taxes, and who get paid under the table.

[deleted]

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

#33

Post by cycrutchfield »

joelrunyon wrote: post #21

San Diego is bleeding people to Austin. I wish San Diego would just make it's own state, adopt Texas' taxes and it'd be hands-down the best place to be in the US.

You want 2% property taxes at San Diego property values? Without Prop 13?

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

#34

Post by RosanaAnaDana »

wpasc wrote: post #16
AcerbicZero wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can confirm. Oregon is terrible, and I've heard it's entirely full now anyway.

Lol, Oregon is full?

Full of hippies. And rain. Unless you are in the east. Then its super-rednecks, dust, and meth.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

#35

Post by randyrand »

logfromblammo wrote: post #8

A cursory read of the graphics indicates that people with graduate degrees and higher-paying jobs are forcing the people with less money and less education out, and they are moving to states with lower costs of living.

It's hard to say with certainty that the emigrants are poor and uneducated.

It's just as likely that people are becoming rich and then leaving for lower tax states.

There are also stronger political incentives for richer folk. "An individual’s likelihood of being a Democrat decreases with every additional dollar he or she earns."

https://www.debt.org/faqs/americans-in-debt/economic-demogra...

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

#36

Post by inetknght »

kenhwang wrote: post #24
logfromblammo wrote: post #8

A cursory read of the graphics indicates that people with graduate degrees and higher-paying jobs are forcing the people with less money and less education out, and they are moving to states with lower costs of living.

I'm not convinced this is a bad thing. What's wrong with having a higher educated, higher income populace?

What's wrong with diversity?

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

#37

Post by mehrdadn »

pascalxus wrote: post #13

The middle class can no longer afford to remain in CA. A combination of egregious housing policies and other anti-bussines/anti-people regulations stifle the economic well being of it's inhabitants. It's sad to see people having to leave behind their friends and families, for all this. Not only are people leaving, but the birth rate for millineials in CA hasn't been this low since the great depression: http://www.lat…

> but the birth rate for millineials in CA hasn't been this low since the great depression

I think this might need a rewording to convey whatever idea you were trying to convey, because I have a hunch there weren't many millennials around during the Great Depression. :-)

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

#39

Post by RosanaAnaDana »

kenhwang wrote: post #24
logfromblammo wrote: post #8

A cursory read of the graphics indicates that people with graduate degrees and higher-paying jobs are forcing the people with less money and less education out, and they are moving to states with lower costs of living.

I'm not convinced this is a bad thing. What's wrong with having a higher educated, higher income populace?

So imagine being completely unable to live in the place you grew up in once an adult, and forced to emigrate not from choice but financial necessity. Its pretty much a bummer.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

#40

Post by whatshisface »

antimatter wrote: post #17
Casseres wrote: post #14

Native Texan here. I and many other Texans I know welcome newcomers with open arms. We all just have one message though: Please do not turn Texas into the places y'all are leaving. There's a reason y'all are leaving after all. EDIT: Newcomers: We generally don't care what anyone does or thinks, we only care when people try to force us to conform to their beliefs, including what to do with our money, eg) raising taxes…

This is my fear as well. As a Californian who's looking to move to Texas at some point in the future, I really hope the people leaving aren't taking "California values" to Texas with them.

One of the greatest strengths of the Texas legislature is that almost everything is written in to the constitution, thereby being almost impossible to change. So for this reason the (proven disastrous) legal and business theories that have messed up housing costs in California would have a very hard time taking root here.
Post reply on HN