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Re: Launch HN: Pagedraw (YC W18) – Compile UI Mockups to React Code

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Post by appdrag » Tue, Feb 27, 2018, 10:37 PM UTC

Androider wrote: post #21

akatechis wrote: post #11

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Also doesn't work on Safari. The "error" message tells you to use Chrome instead (or ask for an app download).

Safari doesn't support fancy pants features like telling which mouse button is held down (event.buttons on MouseMove, works everywhere else since IE9), which makes it a total pain in the behind for any kind of drawing app. If I could drop support for it completely I would open up a bottle of champagne. It truly is the new IE of the web.

Exactly... But curiously Chrome is receiving all the hate instead...

Re: Launch HN: Pagedraw (YC W18) – Compile UI Mockups to React Code

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Post by cryodesign » Tue, Feb 27, 2018, 11:45 PM UTC

jpochtar wrote: post #69

cryodesign wrote: post #41

I'm a designer, so definitely interested in this. But I got a 'Sorry, our editor is optimised for Chrome' message. I'm using the latest version of Firefox... what features does Chrome have that FF hasn't? I get it's early stage, so you might have just done a blanket 'If not Chrome show message' check. If the latest version of FF can support, I would do a more fine grained check. Will check with Chrome later...

We had a good conversation about this before down at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16468276 . tl;dr: would you like the Electron app instead? It's available at https://documentation.pagedraw.io/electron/ It was tough for us, because we're big believers in the standards-based web. We 100% promise that all the code we generate works across all browsers. Our editor was almost electron-only, but felt it was better…

Hey thanks for explaining and like I said - I get it's early stage - was just curious what was missing in FF.

Anyway, will try out the Electron version and definitely be keeping an eye on this one...

Re: Launch HN: Pagedraw (YC W18) – Compile UI Mockups to React Code

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Post by baronjensen » Wed, Feb 28, 2018, 8:32 PM UTC

tmzt wrote: post #101

I'm absolutely a believer that some form of this app will be the future of programming, probably with a touch of Eve, some AI, etc. I'm also looking at this problem, but coming to it from a different angle. I'm not a designer, and I'm not at home in Sketch. I'm looking at developers that can take a very well designed and coded HTML page, where the designer themselves has built the interaction design in whatever they…

Yeah there is a tool that is like this app with a Touch of Eve and some AI = https://www.dohnny.com/

Re: Launch HN: Pagedraw (YC W18) – Compile UI Mockups to React Code

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Post by urda » Wed, Feb 28, 2018, 11:32 PM UTC

andrewstuart wrote: post #95

urda wrote: post #91

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Yup and closed tab. Either make your product work in the major browsers or don't make it at all. Not acceptable here.

>> Either make your product work in the major browsers or don't make it at all. Not acceptable here. I don't agree. Especially for a startup trying to get an MVP out the door. If your product is aimed at a technically oriented audience then its a reasonable assumption that they have Chrome installed.

Those are the same arguments that Microsoft attempted to make as IE was pushed to the masses, and that was a disaster for the web and everyone involved.

If you don't learn the history of technology, you will be doomed to repeat it.

Re: Launch HN: Pagedraw (YC W18) – Compile UI Mockups to React Code

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Post by lwhi » Thu, Mar 01, 2018, 2:23 PM UTC

jpochtar wrote: post #63

lwhi wrote: post #61

I think this is cool, but ultimately I think the dream of developing bespoke applications without having to code will be just that ... at least until the singularity occurs and artificial life forms take over the job of building APIs and presentation layers. Having said that, this looks like it could provide a great starting point for development. Do you see this product as a tool for developers or a tool for designe…

Yes! I completely agree. Thanks for posting this, it needs to be brought up in any conversation about code-free tools. Pagedraw is not a code free tool. It never will be. I don't think it's possible either. Programming needs to happen in language. Even if you did something like Scratch, (to which I prefer typing,) you still need the arbitrary constructs of language in order to express whatever you want. Pagedraw is n…

> Pagedraw is not programming, which only works because we don't really think HTML and CSS are either.

I'd beg to differ; I don't think the scenario is as clear cut as you suggest, because there are a huge number of ways of developing FE for a design. Lots of compromises inevitably need to be made, and lots of choices need to be taken.

Humans are great at filtering and choosing based on experience, instinct and an understanding of industry norms / best practice .. and are able to continuously update their 'mental model' of the options available.

Having said that, tools that help to take the repetitive strain out of developing for FE are a great idea. I just wouldn't look to such a tool as a panacea.