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How GDPR Will Change The Way You Develop

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Re: How GDPR Will Change The Way You Develop

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Post by trothamel »

breakingcups wrote: post #9
trothamel wrote: post #4

"The extraterritorial nature of these two frameworks..." I've noticed that this is something the EU has tried to do lately, to just sort of push their regulations on the rest of the world. I don't see what sort of authority they'd have to impose this on citizens of other countries. I wonder if Europe pushes the issue, if this will be treated like libel tourism, where US citizens and companies without a Eurpoean nexus…

It's quite simple. If you want to do business in the EU or with people who reside in the EU, you need to comply with the EU's regulations. Don't like it? Don't do business in/with the EU. Then you're free to ignore their frameworks, rules and regulations. They are not trying to "impose their regulations on the rest of the world", they're trying to protect the privacy of their inhabitants. That this leads to measures…

There's a big difference between "in the EU" and "with people who reside in the EU". When I come to the EU to do business, sure, I'll comply with their laws.

But it's very different to expect people who live outside the EU to respect EU laws, just because someone from the EU happens to choose to visit their website. I don't see this as any different than if someone in the EU was to visit a convenience store in the US - should the convenience store owner be bound by EU regulations in that case?

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Post by mfoy_ »

lovich wrote: post #16
jamestil0909 wrote: post #14

GDPR is the Paris Climate Accord of the technology world. It is a self-imposed handicap for European/Western (and American, by extension) technology companies that makes engineering and business significantly more complex and expensive. China will never impose such restrictions on her industry. Watch as Western firms continue to accelerate their loss of market share and innovation to communist China.

Well shit, I guess we should go back to dumping industrial waste into rivers too. Who wants to win a race to the bottom?

Don't forget child labour! Clearly we're missing out on this great untapped pool of cheap workers!

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Post by aquadrop »

ansgri wrote: post #18
teeray wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a business decides to opt-out of doing business with the EU as a result, what measures do they need to take? Would a banner asking "Are you an EU citizen? Yes/No" suffice? Or would we have to use some kind of Geo IP tool? How would that defend against EU citizens using a VPN or Tor, and what would a business's liability be in that case?

Simply stop accepting European credit cards. Just like many EU online shops do not accept non-EU (or what blacklist do they have) cards. At least I haven't been able to buy an ebook without a proper European card and/or billing address.

GDPR is not about money, you may not accept payments at all.

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Post by nihonde »

trothamel wrote: post #4

"The extraterritorial nature of these two frameworks..." I've noticed that this is something the EU has tried to do lately, to just sort of push their regulations on the rest of the world. I don't see what sort of authority they'd have to impose this on citizens of other countries. I wonder if Europe pushes the issue, if this will be treated like libel tourism, where US citizens and companies without a Eurpoean nexus…

The GDPR applies to transactions with a nexus in the Union. If a US or Chinese traveler books a hotel in Germany, the GDPR protects their data. If a Chinese hotel chain offers a room to a German guest, the GDPR applies to processing of that guest’s data, even if the chain has no other presence in the Union. If that chain stays out of EU data protection agency reach, enforcement is a non-issue. But if Germany and China were to enter a bilateral agreement (as the US will), or if the Chinese hotel chain wants to establish a presence in Europe, then compliance is not optional. Fines are up to 4% of “global turnover”, which is a serious risk to take lightly.

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Post by pythonaut_16 »

_o_ wrote: post #17

I will show you another case, company that isnt "bitching" over laws that are good for all humans not just EU and does the right thing, you know backblaze, right? "The changes that are being made by companies such as Backblaze to comply with GDPR will almost certainly apply to customers from all countries. And that’s a good thing. The protections afforded to EU citizens by GDPR are something all users of our service…

It's good to see Backblaze confirming that their GPDR compliance will benefit all of their users. That's definitely been a hope of mine as someone who doesn't live in the EU, so hearing that is encouraging.

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Post by yread »

jamestil0909 wrote: post #14

GDPR is the Paris Climate Accord of the technology world. It is a self-imposed handicap for European/Western (and American, by extension) technology companies that makes engineering and business significantly more complex and expensive. China will never impose such restrictions on her industry. Watch as Western firms continue to accelerate their loss of market share and innovation to communist China.

If Chinese companies want EU customers they will have to comply with GPDR as well.

Also "communist" China? Have you been living under a rock for the past 30 years?

Re: How GDPR Will Change The Way You Develop

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Post by mfoy_ »

This article is all very well and good, my only concern is that, imagine in a few years someone wants to find the list of all the laws and regulations and frameworks and whatnot that they need to comply with to run a truly international website... where would they find that information?

Re: How GDPR Will Change The Way You Develop

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Post by matt4077 »

jamestil0909 wrote: post #14

GDPR is the Paris Climate Accord of the technology world. It is a self-imposed handicap for European/Western (and American, by extension) technology companies that makes engineering and business significantly more complex and expensive. China will never impose such restrictions on her industry. Watch as Western firms continue to accelerate their loss of market share and innovation to communist China.

Apart from the deserved mocking in the other answers, I'd like to point out that GDPR applies to Chinese companies doing business in the EU as much as US companies doing the same.

It should also be said that China has far more onerous regulations of commerce than the EU and US, for example in regards to foreign ownership. But you actually know that, otherwise you wouldn't preface "China" with "communist". Which, however, isn't terribly accurate, because modern China really have much of all to do with communism.

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