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Kind reminder: please (re)read the HN guidelines

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Re: Kind reminder: please (re)read the HN guidelines

#51
post #7

Yes, yes, HN is going to the dogs, it's not as good as it used to be, it's all because of the new users, and so on and so on. It's been like that since I joined two and a half years ago.

Indeed, though the worst trend I see is emotional comments getting voted up more. Maybe I'm seeing the past more warmly than it was, but it seems like clear, logical, consistent, coherent comments got voted up and emotional based comments stayed around 1 or got voted down. It seems like a lot of emotional reactions are getting voted up even when they're not coherent, consistent, and logical - which seems a bad trend.

The worst trend I see is comments getting downvoted based on opinions expressed within, not on how poorly they are expressed. No matter how thoughtful a comment, if it goes against the groupthink, you can expect it to hurt your karma.

Re: Kind reminder: please (re)read the HN guidelines

#53
post #20

I don't see HN going downhill in terms of submissions or in discourse. Things are mostly the same as they were 2-3 years ago. I do worry -- perhaps unnecessarily -- about the killing of submissions for no obvious reason. Apparently using a URL shortener is verboten, although the HN guidelines don't mention this. But using one will get your story autokilled. Yesterday, I tried to submit what I thought was an interesti…

While I realize this isn't the appropriate location for a feature request, but perhaps HN (or any news site) could dereference URLs before displaying them.

Re: Kind reminder: please (re)read the HN guidelines

#55
One of the biggest reasons I can think of for the eventual decline of HN are the result of these words;

>>>On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.The problem over here is that people's version of what gratifies their intellectual curiosity varies. What I find interesting is deeply subjective and I need to acknowledge that to contribute anything, anywhere. The same thing goes for HN in general.

HN is starting to attract people outside of its core audience and in doing so it inevitably leads to the point where people come in whose mean of what's interesting is different from the mean of what's interesting for the core audience.

It isn't their fault, but this process feeds into itself. So, if I see a post here on HN on death. I have this tendency to post up stuff related to death. Regardless of the fact whether or not they adhere to the spirit of the guidelines. People see that and they are more inclined to upvote it, since there is already content like that on the front page. So, it accelerates.

You might have noticed that the front page of HN always follows a pattern there are a series of similar posts which come up and stay there over the course of time. This is a good thing and a bad thing as well. The trick is in stopping it at the right time. That's where the community and the moderators come in, but if the majority of the community don't know any better than that. This means that the community can't self adjust. The moderators then have to play a stricter role, which is inherently negative in the longer run.

At the same time, if you define those words too strictly then HN won't be HN, anymore. This is the underlying paradox that needs to be solved to avoid that decline.

Re: Kind reminder: please (re)read the HN guidelines

#56
It is August. A lot of people are on vacation - including writers of blogs and articles. Get used to it. We have X numbers of stories on the front page, we won't always have X amount of interesting stories. Some days we will have 0. The world doesn't fit into nice even patterns.

Re: Kind reminder: please (re)read the HN guidelines

#57
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hacker News is starting to feel like programming.reddit.com a year ago. Now, Reddit is getting more and more like Digg a year before that. Digg certainly looks like Youtube comments one year before. Now, Youtube, that surely is now just like Myspace some time before. And Myspace now is somewhere close to what the AOL forums used to be. But AOL - don't look at the AOL forums! they now look as bad as Usenet did when ev…

It'd be an interesting day when forum degeneration can be solved via circular migration around ring of sites vs. Linear migration like today. "everybody barrel shift!"

That's the current approach to antibiotic drug resistance, actually. Antibiotic resistant drugs are supposedly treated with antibiotics that are too old for those drugs to retain a resistance to.

Re: Kind reminder: please (re)read the HN guidelines

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, though the worst trend I see is emotional comments getting voted up more. Maybe I'm seeing the past more warmly than it was, but it seems like clear, logical, consistent, coherent comments got voted up and emotional based comments stayed around 1 or got voted down. It seems like a lot of emotional reactions are getting voted up even when they're not coherent, consistent, and logical - which seems a bad trend.

The worst trend I see is comments getting downvoted based on opinions expressed within, not on how poorly they are expressed. No matter how thoughtful a comment, if it goes against the groupthink, you can expect it to hurt your karma.

I like /.'s tagging of comments. It's good feedback on why something was up or down modded.

It also forces a downvoter to justify why something is getting downvoted.

Re: Kind reminder: please (re)read the HN guidelines

#60
post #20

I don't see HN going downhill in terms of submissions or in discourse. Things are mostly the same as they were 2-3 years ago. I do worry -- perhaps unnecessarily -- about the killing of submissions for no obvious reason. Apparently using a URL shortener is verboten, although the HN guidelines don't mention this. But using one will get your story autokilled. Yesterday, I tried to submit what I thought was an interesti…

My interpretation is that there's a certain amount of faith in the user for figuring what is apropos. This can serve as a sort of gatekeeper - are you properly interpreting the point of the guidelines?

You don't have to be a longstanding member of the community to notice that every story is proceeded by a stub, and to deliberately circumvent this feature is, at best, disingenuous, and otherwise potentially dangerous (see http://mug.gd/). I actually think it's helpful to have a few of these implicit guidelines in place - it may steepen the learning curve slightly, but it does make the system harder to game.

Basically, submitting a story and gaining traction is a sort of agenda-setting power and I have no problem with a few implicit barriers to that power to keep it from being arbitrarily obtained by passers-by.

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