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Sex and STEM: Stubborn Facts and Stubborn Ideologies

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Re: Sex and STEM: Stubborn Facts and Stubborn Ideologies

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> This can hardly be surprising to the authors. People in lower-level technical jobs don’t have as much power over society at large as those in high-level positions. Thus gender inbalances there don’t have the same supposed impact and perpetuating effect on structural inbalances. Thus they are not considered as harmful in the grand scheme of things. I'm not trying to misrepresent you but are you making the claim that…

Neither. I only was critizing what I think is a flawed argument, nothing else. I didn’t make any mental connection to what you bring up. I understand why your impression is that I must have meant something more, as this usually is the case with comments about polarizing topics like this. That aside (and not meant as criticism against you), it’s super frustrating how when it comes to this specific topic, it’s unbeliev…

I initially read the comment as you positing your chain of thought (instead of theirs) and i was trying to work out the underlying fact being such a chain of logic.

I guess what ill say is that having a mental concept of debate, i personally find useful in getting to the root of ideas.

Of course circling the wagons in your echo chamber by always taking on the debate in your favour isn't good, asking people to further explain thoughts and arguments you don't understand/don't agree with i think is good and people should do more of it.

Re: Sex and STEM: Stubborn Facts and Stubborn Ideologies

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I hate to be rude but I googled for a ping tax and maybe it's because I live in Australia, but all I can find is the ato answering questions about ping-pong tables and otherwise random economics subjects from china that use the word ping (eg: "Ping insurance", Gui Ping Wu). I can't find anything specific to women.

I'm guessing they meant pink tax. They might not be a native English speaker so didn't pick up on the mistake.

Ah that does it. Yea i think the issue is that google knows im australian so it doesn't correct the mistake where the americans it's a big talking point.

And since we are more closely related to asian happenings, it decided to not correct it due to the misspelling being an asian name :P

Re: Sex and STEM: Stubborn Facts and Stubborn Ideologies

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Is this the "anti-semitism" to which you refer? Quote: Communism promised to be both morally and economically superior to capitalism, but every attempt became morally corrupt and an economic failure. As it became clear that the working class of the liberal democracies wasn’t going to overthrow their “capitalist oppressors,” the Marxist intellectuals transitioned from class warfare to gender and race politics. The cor…

Yes, parroting debunked anti-Semitic conspiracy theories is anti-Semitic.

So if someone who is anti-semitic believes that Jesus died on the cross at the behest of his Jewish contemporaries, and I also believe the same thing because that's what history has taught me, does that make me anti-semitic?

Or is that one ok because it hasn't been debunked?

In which case, according to Wikipedia, the Frankfurt school "consisted of neo-Marxist dissidents uncomfortable with existing capitalist, fascist, or communist systems." Has that been debunked? If so, where?

Re: Sex and STEM: Stubborn Facts and Stubborn Ideologies

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Maybe women just see CS for what it is - 'simly not that hard, wiring form fields to databases', and think, let others tap away at the keyboards, I'll be a surgeon or whatever. So, if that were the case, would you say that it's fair to now force these would be neuro surgeons, doctors, lawyers, microbiologists, etc.. to 'wire fields to databases', because in 2018 some people believe that has a somewhat high status in…

This begs the question.

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Re: Sex and STEM: Stubborn Facts and Stubborn Ideologies

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If one douche bag can harp on without being challenged on this?

I still fail to see how people's reluctance to make a public display in an academic lecture is somehow reflective of sexism in the field as a whole. How exactly does this tirade you speak of have any more influence than some random street preacher spouting about our sins and the end times?

Not speaking from authority

Re: Sex and STEM: Stubborn Facts and Stubborn Ideologies

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Saying that you can't criticize a group because of its amount of power in a society is a completely arbitrary rule that is easily disregarded. You will never be able to shame people into following that nonsense.

You appear to still be using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's an abuse of this site because it destroys the intellectual curiosity that HN exists for. As I've explained to you before, we ban accounts that do this, regardless of which ideology they favor. This is in the site guidelines ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ): Please don't use Hacker News primarily for political or ideological b…

>I don't think you're abusing HN on purpose

Thanks for saying this. I skimmed my past 6 months of comments and I don't share your view that I'm "using HN primarily for ideological battle". I don't believe I've previously discussed gender issues, either. If anything it looks like I've had a pro-Apple ideology, which hasn't been flagged.

I make a point to be respectful while commenting, but I don't keep an internal quota for the subjects I comment on. I don't want to add noise to a topic I can't contribute to just to drown out my other comments. The moderation is a bit stifling and doesn't feel ideologically neutral. I know moderation is nebulous so I wanted to offer some feedback, regardless of what happens.

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