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Re: What is happening in the Arctic is now beyond words, so here are the pictures

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Post by fsloth »

a_imho wrote: post #148

Assuming we need to worry about climate change in the short term, what are the best mitigations on individual level? What can a person do to prepare for climate change? Move somewhere less affected? Hoard money/resources?

"What can a person do to prepare for climate change?"

If global climate goes haywire, I would guess grain prices are first to go up, leading to instability in the poorest areas (qualitatively, the price of food seems to be related to regional instability).

On the short term I would guess the best guess is to have enough money to buy food, and live somewhere where there are strong governments that will mitigate problems to their constituencies on the short term (USA, Europe, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, etc)

If this starts to go badly, that is.

Re: What is happening in the Arctic is now beyond words, so here are the pictures

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Post by rmetzler »

I regularly have discussion about climate change with my dad.

He doesn't deny that human interference does influence weather and climate, but he says there isn't enough evidence that this is the only reason why the climate is changing.

The Greenhouse effect once was something natural and positive - we couldn't live on a planet without the Greenhouse effect. But now the meaning changed and it includes that human race is guilty, because of air pollution.

He doesn't deny an effect, but he says other possible explanations like water vapor (which apparently is one of the biggest impacts for the Greenhouse effect) aren't regarded that much in the discussion.

He says, the ice around the Antarctic even grows, but almost nobody talks about that. And volcanic activity north of Greenland might also boost the temperature there.

Re: What is happening in the Arctic is now beyond words, so here are the pictures

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Post by peteretep »

a_imho wrote: post #148

Assuming we need to worry about climate change in the short term, what are the best mitigations on individual level? What can a person do to prepare for climate change? Move somewhere less affected? Hoard money/resources?

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Re: What is happening in the Arctic is now beyond words, so here are the pictures

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Post by draw_down »

rmetzler wrote: post #152

I regularly have discussion about climate change with my dad. He doesn't deny that human interference does influence weather and climate, but he says there isn't enough evidence that this is the only reason why the climate is changing. The Greenhouse effect once was something natural and positive - we couldn't live on a planet without the Greenhouse effect. But now the meaning changed and it includes that human race…

Ok. Who is your dad?

Re: What is happening in the Arctic is now beyond words, so here are the pictures

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Post by rmetzler »

a_imho wrote: post #148

Assuming we need to worry about climate change in the short term, what are the best mitigations on individual level? What can a person do to prepare for climate change? Move somewhere less affected? Hoard money/resources?

Walk or bike to your workplace instead of taking the car. Use public transportation.

Oh, sorry, I misread what you asked about. You don't want to do something against climate change, you just want to mitigate the effects on you.

Best thing is to avoid all those people who will migrate because it doesn't rain anymore in their place so they have to starve because of bad harvests.

Re: What is happening in the Arctic is now beyond words, so here are the pictures

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Post by ThomPete »

a_imho wrote: post #148

Assuming we need to worry about climate change in the short term, what are the best mitigations on individual level? What can a person do to prepare for climate change? Move somewhere less affected? Hoard money/resources?

Create a company that deals with some of the consequences.

Before you do that though, I would urge you to spend some more time looking into what people are saying on both sides. I did and it made me realize that there is a certain kind of "climate alarmist" fraction of the environmental movement that's a far cry from the more balances actual views and that they, unfortunately, are boosted by the media quite a lot probably because media likes catastrophes.

3 things I learned which made it click for me.

1) The so-called "climate deniers" aren't denying there is climate change, they aren't even denying humans affect the climate some degree. What they say is that climate is always changing and that the degree to which humans are affecting the climate isn't as clear as the most alarmist would like you to believe.

2) The 97% consensus is extremely misleading and you will find that the questions asked put the so-called climate deniers into the same bucket of the consensus because of what I mentioned in one. There is however not 97% certainty with regards to how much humans affect. The IPCC numbers are all over the map and they ex have to adjust the heat down over time. http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg2/index.php?idp=29

3) You will not be able to get anyone to give you a straight answer when it comes to how much humans affect the environment and that's because there isn't any clear answers.

So educate yourself then decide what to do after that.

Re: What is happening in the Arctic is now beyond words, so here are the pictures

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Post by ensiferum »

fsloth wrote: post #151
a_imho wrote: post #148

Assuming we need to worry about climate change in the short term, what are the best mitigations on individual level? What can a person do to prepare for climate change? Move somewhere less affected? Hoard money/resources?

"What can a person do to prepare for climate change?" If global climate goes haywire, I would guess grain prices are first to go up, leading to instability in the poorest areas (qualitatively, the price of food seems to be related to regional instability). On the short term I would guess the best guess is to have enough money to buy food, and live somewhere where there are strong governments that will mitigate proble…

You mean when

Re: What is happening in the Arctic is now beyond words, so here are the pictures

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Post by andygates »

codecamper wrote: post #143
username223 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like we keep discovering new positive feedback loops for global warming. Less ice means less reflection. Warmer arctic means more methane from permafrost. Desertification means less carbon capture. There was a recent article in Scientific American about likely changes in cloud formation from AGW. Some clouds reflect sun (cooling), while others trap heat (warming). Guess which are likely to increase? I doubt…

I'm of the opinion that all of life on Earth evolved over a long period of time to match the more or less steady state environment. When you go and disturb that steady state by say releasing a million years worth of carbon sequestration over a century, you destabilize the whole thing. Like a top spinning it all of a sudden collapses. And then humans realize that we were really just along for the ride & do not have a…

I can smell the Gaia daisies in that opinion. But this is a big perturbation and it'll take a long time to settle back down again. Fine for life overall, but troublesome for hairless monkeys and their agricultural base.

Re: What is happening in the Arctic is now beyond words, so here are the pictures

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Post by andygates »

ThomPete wrote: post #156
a_imho wrote: post #148

Assuming we need to worry about climate change in the short term, what are the best mitigations on individual level? What can a person do to prepare for climate change? Move somewhere less affected? Hoard money/resources?

Create a company that deals with some of the consequences. Before you do that though, I would urge you to spend some more time looking into what people are saying on both sides. I did and it made me realize that there is a certain kind of "climate alarmist" fraction of the environmental movement that's a far cry from the more balances actual views and that they, unfortunately, are boosted by the media quite a lot pro…

There really aren't 'both sides' to this. There's as much scientific controversy as there is over gravity or evolution.

The deniers used to deny there was change ("it's cycles!"). Then they denied it was humans (it really is, attribution is getting good). They're denying it's bad ("CO2 is plant food!"); and once things get really in train, they'll be denying ever being warned by those mean old scientists.

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