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Re: EFI Sucks (2012)

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Post by nikofeyn »

colanderman wrote: post #8
nikofeyn wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i didn’t say he did create any of those. i only said he created git, which is true. i also didn’t blame linus like you say. i removed my response because, well, it was negative. i would just appreciate linus taking a less combative approach because his world hasn’t endowed the world of computing with as much nicety as he seems to think it has.

Linus has endowed the world with what is possibly objectively one of the greatest, and most historically significant, pieces of software ever to exist. He's entitled to his opinion. To claim he isn't, because the greater open-source ecosystem is fragmented and not user-friendly, is kind of like saying John Lennon has no right to complain about disco, because hippies are smelly.

i never claimed he wasn't entitled. i have simply stated i am tired of his complaints and rants. and my point is that the world he has helped nurture is not without its travesties, so maybe he should concentrate on that rather than constantly bitching about what other people have built.

it would be nice if you stopped twisting my comments to say what you think they say. and i don’t even understand your retort anyway.

Re: EFI Sucks (2012)

#12

Post by anfilt »

I remembering reading this a while ago. EFI just tries to do too much and thus is too complicated.

Let alone the concerns that secure boot and other OSes.

Re: EFI Sucks (2012)

#15

Post by [deleted] »

colanderman wrote: post #8
nikofeyn wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i didn’t say he did create any of those. i only said he created git, which is true. i also didn’t blame linus like you say. i removed my response because, well, it was negative. i would just appreciate linus taking a less combative approach because his world hasn’t endowed the world of computing with as much nicety as he seems to think it has.

Linus has endowed the world with what is possibly objectively one of the greatest, and most historically significant, pieces of software ever to exist. He's entitled to his opinion. To claim he isn't, because the greater open-source ecosystem is fragmented and not user-friendly, is kind of like saying John Lennon has no right to complain about disco, because hippies are smelly.

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Re: EFI Sucks (2012)

#16

Post by RobertRoberts »

nikofeyn wrote: post #11
colanderman wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linus has endowed the world with what is possibly objectively one of the greatest, and most historically significant, pieces of software ever to exist. He's entitled to his opinion. To claim he isn't, because the greater open-source ecosystem is fragmented and not user-friendly, is kind of like saying John Lennon has no right to complain about disco, because hippies are smelly.

i never claimed he wasn't entitled. i have simply stated i am tired of his complaints and rants. and my point is that the world he has helped nurture is not without its travesties, so maybe he should concentrate on that rather than constantly bitching about what other people have built. it would be nice if you stopped twisting my comments to say what you think they say. and i don’t even understand your retort anyway.

>... constantly bitching about what other people have built."

Exaggerating to the extreme implies you do not have a strong basis for your argument.

If you actually count the number of times he's bitched about something, it's probably like 20 or 30 (can anyone provide a real number?). And even then only 2 are debatable in their value. (also a made up number to demonstrate the lack of solid data on this matter.)

Therefore, I suspect you knew this, and just want to vent or make Linus look bad. I hope you have a better day tomorrow and make a decent follow up comment.

Re: EFI Sucks (2012)

#17

Post by ramenmeal »

craftyguy wrote: post #13
thomastjeffery wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's how you interact with daemons.

Ah, right. I suppose it could also be argued that the kernel is also unnecessarily complex as well?

Eh its a little different. Your analogy would be more correct if we kept adding to the BIOS interface till it got large, rather than starting from scratch.

Re: EFI Sucks (2012)

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Post by nikofeyn »

RobertRoberts wrote: post #16
nikofeyn wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i never claimed he wasn't entitled. i have simply stated i am tired of his complaints and rants. and my point is that the world he has helped nurture is not without its travesties, so maybe he should concentrate on that rather than constantly bitching about what other people have built. it would be nice if you stopped twisting my comments to say what you think they say. and i don’t even understand your retort anyway.

> ... constantly bitching about what other people have built." Exaggerating to the extreme implies you do not have a strong basis for your argument. If you actually count the number of times he's bitched about something, it's probably like 20 or 30 (can anyone provide a real number?). And even then only 2 are debatable in their value. (also a made up number to demonstrate the lack of solid data on this matter.) There…

in my own personal experience, my primary source of linus news comes from articles being posted about him ranting or cursing about something. i didn’t post those. someone else did, and i read them. normally, i will follow these up with reading about various things about him and linux where he isn’t ranting, but those articles have been my portal to his world. why should i care to seek out more about one who i find is well known to throw e-mail tantrums, flip off cameras as a message to companies, etc.? please send your advice and condescending call for positivity to linus as well. :)

Re: EFI Sucks (2012)

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Post by digi_owl »

ttflee wrote: post #5

> It's just sad how people always try to "improve" on old standard interfaces by then over-designing the improvements to the point where the new interface is just overwhelmed by complexity. Did Linus also criticize the complexity and untested nature of systemd?

While he has not voiced any direct criticism of the project that i recall, he has voiced concerns about the principle developers of it.

Keep in mind that at one point he was so fed up with Kay Sievers that he announced he would not accept any kernel patches that originated from that person.

I think it related to Sievers unilaterally deciding that the kernel, and not udev, should be responsible for loading firmwares, leading to the kernel devs scrambling to implement the required functionality. In the aftermath some kernel devs even pondered forking udev and bundling it with the kernel code as part of its userspace toolkit.

And this was from before udev was merged with systemd (iirc).

Re: EFI Sucks (2012)

#20

Post by RobertRoberts »

nikofeyn wrote: post #18
RobertRoberts wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ... constantly bitching about what other people have built." Exaggerating to the extreme implies you do not have a strong basis for your argument. If you actually count the number of times he's bitched about something, it's probably like 20 or 30 (can anyone provide a real number?). And even then only 2 are debatable in their value. (also a made up number to demonstrate the lack of solid data on this matter.) There…

in my own personal experience, my primary source of linus news comes from articles being posted about him ranting or cursing about something. i didn’t post those. someone else did, and i read them. normally, i will follow these up with reading about various things about him and linux where he isn’t ranting, but those articles have been my portal to his world. why should i care to seek out more about one who i find is…

The written form of communication lacks nuance. I genuinely hope you have a better day tomorrow.
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