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Gobee.bike pulls out of France due to mass destruction of its bike fleet

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Re: Gobee.bike pulls out of France due to mass destruction of its bike fleet

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This is not a huge surprise—China has very low rates of street crime, which is why the 'leave a bike anywhere' model isn't destroyed by vandalism. Increasingly, as Chinese companies try to expand abroad (valuations are so inflated in China that diversifying geographically is very tempting, much like 80s Japan), they are going to stumble a bit due to less familiarity with other societies, e.g. [1]. [1] https://www.nyt…

It’s near the end of this article, Chinese bikeshare companies are having similar vandalism experiences in China:

https://qz.com/919739/chinese-bike-sharing-startups-like-ofo...

Re: Gobee.bike pulls out of France due to mass destruction of its bike fleet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> stolen and found in Africa That was unexpected. How do they end up in Africa? Sounds like there is an interesting story there. I can see teenagers stealing them, throwing them from a roof, vandalizing them, but how in the world do they have the dedication to ship them to a different continent. I guess it could be "a challenge" to impress their peers.

If that was unexpected to you, I'll take it you don't know France very well. People send stuff back to Africa all the time. I can't say anything about the bike (obviously), but I can tell you what an African friend of mine does for a living; in the middle of Europe. He sends stuff back to Africa. What he does is he rents out a container on a ship and then collects the payload in small units. I advertises in the Afric…

In inland southern California there is (or was, last time I was there) a Polynesian community that's established enough for similar container-shipping companies to arise to send things to their families still on the islands.

Re: Gobee.bike pulls out of France due to mass destruction of its bike fleet

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What did they expect ? Criminality is high in France, and higher in Paris.

Got some figures to back up that claim? http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/France/Unit...

First, you’re comparing to the United States which is a very high-crime developed country. Second, this data is before France let in zillions of refugees and other Arabs who commit far more crime than white French.

Re: Gobee.bike pulls out of France due to mass destruction of its bike fleet

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There's another bike company here in (SE)Asia, OBike. They're pretty big, and aggressively fundraising. I told my wife, "I can understand that people want to Uber-ify everything, but this is very different than Uber concept, so I think it won't work in the long term." The main difference is.. who's looking after the vehicle. With Uber, the vehicle is typically owned by the driver, so the driver has interest in making…

You can say, "Just force them to put deposit, and if the bike is damaged, deduct their deposit." Well, how do you know if the bike is damaged by them, and not random bypassers?

You don't but the point of the deposit is simply to act as a deterrent. When your deposit is on the line, you have an incentive to look after the bike while it is in your possession. You wouldn't purposely seek to damage it if it is going to cost you. It takes the "fun" out of vandalising and that is usually sufficient.

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Do “dockless” bike hire systems actually work anywhere? There seem to have been so many stories like this. Docked systems seem to work really well (e.g. London), presumably because you can’t take a bike without leaving your credit card details.

I think it's been working fine in Berlin for fifteen years.

Re: Gobee.bike pulls out of France due to mass destruction of its bike fleet

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For some reason nobody talks about the extreme nuisance of those bikes. Customers would just drop them literally anywhere : on the sidewalk blocking pedestrians, right in the middle of the street blocking cars, in front of building doors preventing people from entering, etc... Such a terrible nuisance, and something to be expected since there is such little room in the Parisian streets (you can’t seriously expect cus…

I am living in Lille, France, where Gobee.bike begun its French expansion. I am commuting by bike and as a cyclist I do agree with the comment above.

Dockless bikes quickly became a nuisance, a few days after gobee.bike released their fleet. People left those bikes everywhere, including on pedestrian space and bicycle lanes.

On a personal note : there is a well maintained and dock-based bike sharing system provided by the town council in Lille. If bike sharing, as some point, become a part of the town's infrastructure — see: Paris with Velib, Lyon and Lille — I do not see the need nor the space for concurrent offerings from different bike networks.

Re: Gobee.bike pulls out of France due to mass destruction of its bike fleet

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I wonder who these bikes are supposed to appeal to. If you are a cyclist then you have your own bicycle, or you have a choice of bicycles. You don't leave the door with your bike left behind so you can take the heavier, possibly vandalised, possibly unavailable public transport bike in order to get to your destination later.

Sometimes when catching the train I cannot take a bicycle. In theory I could hire a bike at the far end and just leave my bike at the start station. However, this I never think to do. I might think of getting a bus or even a taxi but I would never think to get a hire bike. Even though there is a rack of them outside the station.

Out of my non-cycling friends, the people that drive to work or just walk, these people have not taken their bicycles out of the shed for many, many years. They are no likely to re-orient their entire commuting experience around some hire bikes as they decided a long time ago that being on the streets with no crumple zones was not for them.

I do know people that do get about on Boris bikes once in a while, as a fun way to get around London with friends on a weekend, but not as part of a serious commute.

There are better ways to get bikes on the road, the bike to work tax free scheme being one of them. This has got a lot of people cycling in the UK. It is also about time that normal bicycles are a bit more legally sensible. With cars we no longer allow 1970's standards (e,g, no seat belts). I am not saying we add airbags to bicycles but we could update the law so bicycles have to have lights the minute they get put in the showroom, mandatory and part of the bike. LED lighting makes that doable.

Similarly, tyres could be made to be 'road legal' with some puncture protection made mandatory. There could also be a small tax benefit for bicycles designed for utility purpose, taxed differently to the sport bikes that have no mudguards.

With a lower tax on 'utility' bikes a subtle shaping of bikes sold could result in safer roads with more people riding year round, mostly for commuting reasons. People would be able to pay the extra for their carbon fibre road bikes that don't have the lights, mudguards and sensible lock, that would be standard VAT, not the bargain 'utility' rate.

A defined 'utility' bike that is personally owned could be insured very differently to a 'sports' bicycle, perhaps more affordably, with reasonable third party cover. Meanwhile 'fixies' such as that one that was involved in a tragic accident killing a pedestrian, those bikes would not be as cheap to ride or likely to be so prevalent on the roads.

Re: Gobee.bike pulls out of France due to mass destruction of its bike fleet

#39

There's another bike company here in (SE)Asia, OBike. They're pretty big, and aggressively fundraising. I told my wife, "I can understand that people want to Uber-ify everything, but this is very different than Uber concept, so I think it won't work in the long term." The main difference is.. who's looking after the vehicle. With Uber, the vehicle is typically owned by the driver, so the driver has interest in making…

You can say, "Just force them to put deposit, and if the bike is damaged, deduct their deposit." Well, how do you know if the bike is damaged by them, and not random bypassers? You don't but the point of the deposit is simply to act as a deterrent. When your deposit is on the line, you have an incentive to look after the bike while it is in your possession. You wouldn't purposely seek to damage it if it is going to c…

The people who take joy in vandalizing things will have no fear in a deposit especially since it’s impossible to prove if they vandalized anything.

Re: Gobee.bike pulls out of France due to mass destruction of its bike fleet

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I'm surprised... Cologne, Germany has dockless bike rental for more than a decade, but none of the operators complain about excessive vandalism. Culturally it shouldn't be to different from France. The DB bikes were pretty sturdy though - I typically referred to 'renting a tank'. There were some rumours the Chinese bike rentals were only after their customer's data, since none of their models could've been profitable…

They make a massive amount of money from rental deposits which are never refunded unless you remember to click the refund button in the app. A lot of people forget to refund their own deposit, and the rental company gets to keep a lot of money.

A great deal of the deposits are made during discount/promotional periods.
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